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Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Democrats Versus Mark Foley = Hypocrites 'R' Us!

I am amazed at the outcry from Democrats demanding the resignation of Speaker Dennis Hastert now that this Foley scandal has been revealed! I am half expecting violent mobs of Democrats to hit the streets, rending their clothes while burning down buildings and shouting "Clinton Akbar!" Ridiculous! That Foley immediately resigned is correct. That he has "problems" is obvious. That this should be an issue by which the Democrats seize control of congress reminds one of another era.

Question: Do the Democrats have their own set of "plumbers", dirty-tricksters trying to muck up the 2006 election like the Nixon campaign had in 1972?

Question: Since the Democrats were in uproar that anyone would care about President Clinton having sex with an intern, is this hypocritical of them?

Question: Since Democratic Congressman Gerry Studds actually had sex with an underage male intern (see near the bottom of the post) but continued to serve in Congress with the blessings of the Democratic Party for six terms after being censured (but certainly not forced to resign) how dare they demand further repercussions from this incident? Is it okay for Democrats to have sex with underage interns while Republicans cannot even send nasty text messages? I am not the only one who cannot fathom the "logic" here.

Question: Since these IM messages were sent three years ago, who held onto them and waited to release them right before a key election? Perhaps a faked blog with faked comments is a clue?

Question: Where are all these interns being mentioned by the Dems and the press? Is this post below a clue to the "16-year-old" male intern? Is he actually that young? See below...


Meet Jordan Edmund One Mark Foley Instant Messenger

Jordan Edmund 21 years old

Jordan Edmund is 21 years old

Mark Foley is a scumbag! Mark Foley is a scumbag! Mark Foley is a scumbag!

Now that that is out of the way I will reveal how I (and a few others) discovered Jordan Edmund was one of the former house pages that participated in sexually explicit instant messages with Rep. Mark Foley. Also I will explain to you why I believe it necessary to reveal Jordan Edmund's identity. You may not agree with my decision, but I hope to explain my reasoning by the end of this story.

On the evening of September 30th I did what many people did and I read the instant messages released by Brian Ross at ABC NEWS. Here is the link to the pdf of the instant messages. When I had finished reading the messages I felt disgust toward what Foley did. Below is a picture of the last 3 lines of that instant message.

Instant message with screen name Xxxxxxx out (clickable jpg on site)


I was so upset about what Foley said to an 17 year old boy that I started searching the ABC NEWS website to find out if there were more instant messages. This is what I found.

Instant message with screen name revealed (clickable jpg on site)


Same instant message with one big difference. The teen's AOL screen name is clearly visible. I could only come up with 2 conclusions; either someone at ABC NEWS screwed up big time or they meant for someone to find the unedited instant message.


Read the entire post from Passionate America here!

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Time for some ancient history!

Top Ten (Recent) Democratic Sex Scandals in Congress

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.


Does anyone remember that Studds turned his back on Congress as he was being censured?

Finally, as nasty as this all is, the age of consent in the District of Columbia is age 16, so even had Foley had sex with an underage intern it might not be illegal conduct. Reprehensible? Obviously. Illegal? Probably not.

As usual, this is all playing out because the Democrats have no real issues.

Bottom Line Up Front with more information

"Perverts And Pages

I’ve been waiting for our gal Ann Coulter to weight in on the Foley Affair and I’m happy to say she finally lets fly. The target is Democrats and the double standard we are all used to seeing by now. Mark Foley is a certified creep but at least he had the dignity to fall on his sword and resign from Congress - something Democrats Gerry Studds, Barney Frank and Mel Reynolds refused to do when they were exposed for doing much worse. Follow the links if you have a short memory or just don’t believe it.

My personal opinion is that Congress and government in general just need to do away with the whole concept of Pages and Interns. The jobs are an anachronism and have become nothing more than a bordello for perverted Congressmen and creepy Presidents from Arkansas. For the time being though, read what Ann has to say about the whole mess ... "

10 comments:

highboy said...

I keep saying it: this will be (if it isn't already) a bigger black eye to the Dems than it is the GOP. We hold our leaders accountable, while Dems make excuses for theirs.

loboinok said...

Excellent post radar!

Boy, Wild Bill has the bats flying into trees over on his blog.

Mazement said...

I am amazed at the outcry from Democrats demanding the resignation of Speaker Dennis Hastert now that this Foley scandal has been revealed!

Why?

If Speaker Dennis Hastert knew about Foley's crimes and just ignored them, then don't you think he should be punished?

Even if Foley's acts don't rise to the level of crimes, Hastert still would have been aiding-and-abetting a known homosexual. Isn't that a betrayal of the central principle of the modern Republican party?

Of course, we don't know for sure what Hastert knew and when he knew it, but I think there's enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation.

Let's get Hastert under oath and see what he has to say for himself. After he gets exonerated, then we can whine about the Mean Old Democrats in good conscience.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about hypocrisy among partisan Democrats. I mean, they're going to support Democrats and oppose Republicans no matter kind of contortions they have to go through to justify themselves. That's why we call them "partisan".

I'd worry more about the non-partisan people...the moderates who could vote for either a Democrat or a Republican in the upcoming election. If the allegations against Hastert aren't investigated, then what kind of message will that send to them?

Finally, as nasty as this all is, the age of consent in the District of Columbia is age 16, so even had Foley had sex with an underage intern it might not be illegal conduct.

My understanding is that Foley is being investigated for a violation of federal law...because he was sending communications across the Internet. He might be able to get a conviction overturned on Constitutional grounds: The argument would be that if both the sender and recipient were in locations where the age of consent was 16, then they had the right to have sex, and therefore they should have the right to communicate sexually.

But I don't see that argument working with the current Supreme Court; they're not all that concerned with abstracts like the right to privacy. Also, I think Foley might have sent messages to boys when they were back in their home states, where the age of consent might have been higher.

cranky old fart said...

"We hold our leaders accountable..."

lol

The profiteering on this war we were lied into has been staggering. So go peddle your papers on that point.

As for the shocking sex scandal, Yawn.

The only reason Republicans have to hold their own "accountable" on this (read; blame it on the Dems) is because of their pandering to the religious right in the first place.

Neither party really thinks this is a big deal, except for its political implications/utility.

Don't you just know those kids thought it was all a hoot seeing this stupid "old" idiot emailing them. I bet they laughed their heads off. It's all rather pathetic really.

highboy said...

"The profiteering on this war we were lied into has been staggering. So go peddle your papers on that point."

Sure cranky, just as soon as we're gullible enough to believe your liberal talking points. I guess if you repeat it enough times, someone will believe it eventually.

"The only reason Republicans have to hold their own "accountable" on this (read; blame it on the Dems)"

Funny. Main stream liberalism blames it on Christianity and conservatism:

"what do the Vatican and the RNC have in common? Here’s one potential list: entrenched homophobia, psychologically damaged closet cases, inappropriate behavior toward teens and minors … and cover-ups designed entirely to retain power. The parallels are looking a little creepy. And the source is the same.”

But in any case, we hold our leaders accountable, Dems make excuses for theirs, as has been demonstrated time and again.

loboinok said...

If Speaker Dennis Hastert knew about Foley's crimes and just ignored them, then don't you think he should be punished?

If Foley committed a crime and if Hastert knew about it and if it proves to be what is being said now and if the Democrats will still consider what was done, as a crime come November... then yeah, Hastert should at the least, be reprimanded.

You do still believe in proving the crime before passing sentence, don't you?

Now I could ask you if you think that Rep. Studds, who actually had sex with a 17 y.o. page in 1973 and covered it up for 10 years, was begrudgingly censored, recieved a standing ovation and then returned for 6 more terms, should have been fired. Or should the Speaker in '93', Laramie I think, been asked to resign... but I won't.

Instead, I think I'll just say that what is happening, could very well turn out good for the Republicans.

People are increasingly taking notice of what is coming out of our schools and Universities, our Corporations and socialised religious institutions. Now they take notice of what is coming out of our halls of Congress.

I basically agree with the rest of your post.

The age of consent in Oklahoma is 14/16 and soon to be raised to 18 if you are a student.

LC said...

Sex scandals...eh? who really cares at this point. I really don't trust any of those Republi-cats controlling our contry right now. But, we should all really worry about the real issues out there.

Here is a list, so now we can see that both sides are filled with sexual deviants. So both sides suck, lets get on with it.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals

Mazement said...

You do still believe in proving the crime before passing sentence, don't you?

Yes. Of course, being Speaker of the House is a privilege, not a right, so we can ask the Speaker to step down even without a full criminal trial. Speakers in the past have resigned over the mere appearance of impropriety.

I'd really like Hastert to tell us what he knew and when he knew it, so we can make an informed decision.

My current impression is that his staffers probably told him what was going on, but he was daydreaming and didn't really hear what they were saying. Elected Republicans seem to have short attention spans where bad news is concerned. It's part of the reason we've had all those problems with 9/11 and Iraq and New Orleans and so on.

Now I could ask you if you think that Rep. Studds, who actually had sex with a 17 y.o. page in 1973 and covered it up for 10 years, was begrudgingly censored, recieved a standing ovation and then returned for 6 more terms, should have been fired.

That's a fair question. Now, remember that the Studds situation had some unusual aspects.

Like you said, the affair didn't come out for 10 years. When it finally came out, the former page...then 27 years old...publically supported Rep. Studds. So, by luck or by design, Studds managed to hook up with one the rare people who was mature enough to have sex at 17. Of course the affair was illegal, but if no harm was done then I'm inclined to be lenient.

But it does send a bad message. People like Mark Foley could point to the case and say that since this affair with a 17-year-old didn't cause problems, then no affair with a 17-year-old would cause problems. So I do think that Rep. Studds should be condemned.

Overall, I agree with Congress that the offense warranted censure but not impeachment. The question of whether he was fit to hold office could be left up to the voters in his district, who could consider his career-as-a-whole.

Or should the Speaker in '93', Laramie I think, been asked to resign... but I won't.

If the Speaker was aware that crimes were being covered-up and did nothing, then I'd hope he'd resign.

loboinok said...

Elected Republicans seem to have short attention spans where bad news is concerned.

In all honesty... I have found that to be a universal impairment.

It is in how each party handles that impairment, that I see the similarities end.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe the Sycophantic apologists making excuses for the offencive behavior perpertrated by people who should be setting the example for young and old alike!

Those we elect to our highest offices take an oath to uphold the highest standards of the land and yet they abuse their office for financial benifit and sexual pleasure!

Shame on them and anyone who makes excuses for their egregious behavior!