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Sunday, April 15, 2007

Homosexuality will never be normal

No, no, a thousand times no!!!!

A thread running through the discussions of various "hate crime" and "special protection" legislations being discussed in this blog is the status of those who practice homosexuality. I have stated my viewpoint clearly, that homosexuality is a choice, it is a sinful practice, but that it is wrong to act as if homosexuality is any more sinful than adultery or thievery, etc.

It is also very apparent that there are many forces who have joined together to promote the homosexual agenda. Allow me to present their apparent goals:

1) To elevate homosexuality to the same status in society as heterosexuality.
2) To thoroughly decriminalize homosexual behavior.
3) To force anyone who believes otherwise to, by law, act as if they are in agreement with the first two points.
4) To cause those who disagree to face financial and legal penalties for taking the other side.

Shall we review?

1) To elevate homosexuality to the same status in society as heterosexuality.

The push to change the long-held tradition of marriage from being only a joining of man and woman into something altogether different is one of the main goals in seeking to bring this about. Marriage, a tradition handed down from religious ceremony, has never been about just sex. It has been about family, having children, grandchildren, etc. Marriage has been under attack from the forces of evil all along. Society benefits from stable marriages from which healthy and stable children are most apt to emerge. It is tragic that sinfulness and adultery have caused so many marriages to end in divorce. Yet there is no better formula for the success of the family. Homosexuals, in an effort to get the rest of us to see them as "normal", are now in the business of "co-opting" marriage for their own purposes. Terrible!

Statistics show us that homosexual unions are far more unstable that herterosexual unions. There are much higher instances of abusive behavior, of drug and alcohol abuse, and the occurrence of STD's. Clinics in the major cities will point to the homosexual community as the primary source of STD problems and especially AIDS.

2) To thoroughly decriminalize homosexual behavior.

There are those who claim that society is wrong to legislate morality. Yet, we do legislate it. Otherwise murder would be legal (murders other than the organized murders of millions of babies in the womb, euphemism = abortion. We already have that, to our shame!) and society would suffer. Laws against sodomy are being removed from the books. For years, we had such laws in place, but looked the other way when they were violated. There was something of a general "don't ask, don't tell" attitude at work, in which only the most violent and troublesome offenders would be subjected to prosecution. Now that option is being taken away. Of course, laws against adultery are being wiped away, too. But then some laws that legislated against pedophiles are now being watered down as well. I wonder if people understand where all of this is going? The approval of adultery and fornication led to the approval of homosexuality now which leads to the approval of pedophilia in another generation or two, unless we work to stop the tide. Some of you may vehemently disagree, but I posted on this subject previously and presented evidences, among those evidences being the game plan for NAMBLA: "First get the homosexuals in the door and then, we follow!"

3) To force anyone who believes otherwise to, by law, act as if they are in agreement with the first two points.

The way in which the lawmakers in the camp of the homosexuals are writing legislation now, those of us who hold traditional views may find ourselves being told we must hire homosexuals even in our church and could find ourselves being linked to a hate crime simply by repeating the words of God Himself! Pandora's Box was opened the first time anyone wrote special protections into laws, made up racial quotas and began making up special events that were race or religion or sexual orientation-specific. There should never have been a Black History Month, but rather a balanced teaching of history that was entirely colorblind. And don't get me started on the Day of Silence! I just want you to imagine the outcry from the press and the loony left and the ACLU if schools organized a Day of Jesus, in which students proseletized all day carrying bibles and quoting verses and Passion of the Christ was shown and then, at day's end, they would all sit around singing hymns and planning how to further the cause of the Gospel???

4) To cause those who disagree to face financial and legal penalties for taking the other side.

Zombie Time
has captured some of the more radical of the homosexual movement making themselves look nasty and ridiculous (while mostly concentrating on revealing the liberal idiocy of that odd creature, the San Francisco Moonbat), as they have been doing for decades. But lately that crowd has become more beligerent, to the point that they openly threaten heterosexuals and Christians with violence in front of the news media and generally avoid criticism from either that largely liberal group or pandering politicians. This radicalization of the homosexual movement has brought about an attitude of confrontation, seeking to find politicians who will pass laws to make it possible for them to force Bible believers to go to jail for their religious beliefs.

I believe that the radical element of homosexuals will not rest until they have succeeded in shuttering every church that teaches the Biblical view of homosexuality and cause every individual believer to be silenced or punished. I believe that these efforts are the epitome of evil.

CONCLUSION

As usual, the forces of evil array themselves against the forces for good. They will "wear sheep's clothing" if they must, pushing forward the tiny minority of homosexual couples who actually stay together in a monogamous relationship without beating each other, straying to other partners, passing STD's or sexually assaulting minors. They will try to hide their agenda in legislation that seems to be well-meaning but in actuality is an attack on the Constitution and our basic freedoms. Let us not forget that freedom of speech and freedom of religion were the impetus that drove so many pioneers from Europe and across the Atlantic to our strange shores in an attempt to build a better society.

But homosexuality will never be right! It will always be a sin, just as murder is and adultery is and theft is and lying and cheating and beating up your neighbor is a sin! There are many in this world who practice all of these things and yet we must not go so far as to accept these acts as normal.

Don't come at me with the "sexual orientation" pitch, either. I have no doubt that many, if not most, homosexuals desire to have sex with their own sex more than with the opposite sex and whether that was entirely by choice or at least in part from some other impetus is immaterial. You may claim to have been born with the desire to have sex with five-year-old girls, but we mustn't allow you to do it. You will have to sublimate your desires, fight them, point them in another direction instead of allowing you to have your way with kindergartners. Perhaps you say that sex with corpses turns you on, that doesn't mean we have to allow it. The first person might do well to marry a very petite and youthful spouse and the second, someone gaunt and cold....well, hey, that is better than the alternative.

In truth, there are organizations devoted to help re-orient homosexuals. I know a couple, now man and wife, who were both dedicated homosexuals, came to become Christians, and made up their minds to change. They worked at changing their minds and their habits, met at the classes, finally married. They've had children together, been successful in business and he has run for political offices and won. You would never know, to look at them, that they were once vastly different in sexual orientation and lifestyle.

I suppose the monogamous homosexual couple and the "changed" from homo to hetero couples are both exceptions to the rule. Most homosexuals struggle with the stigma and difficulties inherent in such a lifestyle and orientation. Once, society shunned and hated them. Now, society is trying to normalize them. Both are wrong. If we would take the Christian viewpoint, we would continue to value the homosexual as a person and seek to help him leave the homosexual lifestyle behind with counseling and fellowship and support rather than derision.

I am a Christian. I believe in absolutes. Homosexuality is wrong.

I am an American. I believe in the good of my country. Homosexuality is damaging to society.

I am a human. I believe humans have intrinsic value. Homosexuality needs to be seen as an aberrant act, but those who practice it as worthwhile human beings who are simply doing wrong rather than subhuman wretches who must be reviled and beaten and spat upon.

So I say to you who disagree with me, can you not see the end of the trail you wish us to follow? Every wrong turn has consequences. And, I say to those who revile homosexuality, remember that we were meant to hate the sin and not the sinner.

You may recall that in previous posts I have presented evidences and so this post is something of a summary of postings done over the last year's time. Disagree all you want, but if you disagree with the substance of what I say, come armed with evidence. Thanks to all!

Updates!!!!!!!

"(An aside: There are a lot of different sins at the bottom of the pyramid. But I've noticed a lot of Christians want to focus on the consensual-sex stuff to the exclusion of everything else. Does anyone have any idea what motivates them? It seems really creepy and voyeuristic to me.)"

and

"I think you're missing my point. I know that the Bible makes reference to sexual sins. It makes reference to a lot of different sins.

What I don't get is why some Christians seem to obsess on sexual sins in general, and homosexuality in particular. I just don't understand the fascination with it.

Is homosexuality more damaging to society than Sabbath-breaking or praying out loud on street corners?"

Answers: Christians "obsess" over the sins that certain groups try to promote. We wouldn't be focusing on abortion if so many people weren't so enthusiastic about killing babies. We wouldn't be focusing on homosexuality if there wasn't a push to change marriage and force us to hire known homosexuals in schools and force us to allow them as scouting leaders and so on. We push back when sinners push their sins in our faces.


8 comments:

Mazement said...

I have stated my viewpoint clearly, that homosexuality is a choice, it is a sinful practice, but that it is wrong to act as if homosexuality is any more sinful than adultery or thievery, etc.

Can I get a definition of "more sinful"?

One argument is that all sins are equal in God's eyes...so thievery and adultery and Sabbath-breaking and sloth are all equally wrong. Even contemplating a sinful act is sinful.

So under that definition, homosexuals are just as sinful as everyone else. It seems like a waste of time to make a big deal out of it. We should all just acknowledge our mutual sinfulness and then move past it so we can focus our energies on mutual forgiveness.

But we could also talk about sin in human terms. In that context, we could say that murder is more harmful than theft and adultery, and therefore "worse". And theft and adultery are more harmful than uncharitability, and so on. At the very bottom of the pyramid, we've got the basically harmless acts that God doesn't like for some reason. Like homosexuality, or watching football on Sunday, or praying out loud on street corners.

The weird thing is that different religious traditions have different ideas about exactly which things are at the bottom of the pyramid. Jews are fine with football on Sundays, but not between sundown on Friday and sundown on Saturday.

We've tried a bunch of different things and what works best is for society to say, "You can watch football on whatever schedule you want, but don't pick on people who want to use a different schedule. We mean it! If it gets to be a problem, we're going to have to pass anti-discrimination laws to repair the damage."

(An aside: There are a lot of different sins at the bottom of the pyramid. But I've noticed a lot of Christians want to focus on the consensual-sex stuff to the exclusion of everything else. Does anyone have any idea what motivates them? It seems really creepy and voyeuristic to me.)

Statistics show us that homosexual unions are far more unstable that heterosexual unions

I wonder if legalizing gay marriage might help with this.

I mean, if you've stood up in front of your family and friends and sworn a lifetime commitment, you're going to feel like an idiot if you have to go back and tell everybody that you're breaking that vow. If the relationship is seriously a disaster then that'll happen, but if you're just going through a rough patch then it might give you an extra incentive to stay and work things out. I'm pretty sure that's how the wedding tradition got started to begin with.

Anyway, we have to be careful not to prejudge people. Even if homosexuals are more likely to be in unstable relationships than heterosexuals, that doesn't mean we can blindly assume that Joe Random Homosexual is in an unstable relationship and give him advice based on that.

Lava said...

Oh, radar. You do give reasons why homosexually is a supposed bad thing- but, isn't the real reason you believe homosexuality is wrong is because the bible says so? If the bible said homosexuality was good and not a sin, wouldn't those other reasons be meaningless to you?

1) To elevate homosexuality to the same status in society as heterosexuality.

The same thing could be said about voting.

Statistics show us that homosexual unions are far more unstable that herterosexual unions. There are much higher instances of abusive behavior, of drug and alcohol abuse, and the occurrence of STD's. Clinics in the major cities will point to the homosexual community as the primary source of STD problems and especially AIDS.

Don't racist organizations use these same types of statistics to back up their claims of white superiority?

2) To thoroughly decriminalize homosexual behavior.

I can't tell if you are serious here or not. To imply decriminalization of homosexuality will lead to the acceptance and decriminalization of pedophilia is an illogical jump.

3) To force anyone who believes otherwise to, by law, act as if they are in agreement with the first two points.

You keep sating this type of thing- have you read either of the bills or laws you have discussed over the last week or so?

and could find ourselves being linked to a hate crime simply by repeating the words of God Himself!

No. No. No. This statement is so far out there Radar I'd call it intellectually dishonest. Please provide some sort of American law or bill that would criminalize speech ONLY that is either anti-homosexual, or racist, or sexist. Please quote the actual law- and if you use the "pre-emptive action" section of the federal hate crime bill please explain how your interpretation of that section could be applied in accordance to the supreme court case I cited in a previous comment.

4) To cause those who disagree to face financial and legal penalties for taking the other side. . .This radicalization of the homosexual movement has brought about an attitude of confrontation, seeking to find politicians who will pass laws to make it possible for them to force Bible believers to go to jail for their religious beliefs.

Maybe they are seeking this. Will it happen? Will people go to jail strictly for their religious beliefs? No. No. No. Fred Phelps and his loony clan will still be allowed to picket and claim america is evil because of its acceptance of homosexuals and you will be able to say anything you want about homosexuals radar.

Anonymous said...

On the sinfulness question. Why is sexual sin such a big deal? Here's what the Apostle Paul had to say:
1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." You see God looks at sin as defiling His creation. When we sin we are not hurting God but ourselves. He loves us and wants us to enjoy the life He has given us. What is the golden rule? Do to others as you would have them do to you. Love your neighbor as you love yourself. If I love some one and he is hurting himself shouldn't I try to stop him? If his actions are influencing others to hurt themselves shouldn't I speak out? God has given people free will to make their own way but He also wants us to know wich way is right. If sinful behavior is continually ignored the destruction of society is assured.

Mazement said...

On the sinfulness question. Why is sexual sin such a big deal?

I think you're missing my point. I know that the Bible makes reference to sexual sins. It makes reference to a lot of different sins.

What I don't get is why some Christians seem to obsess on sexual sins in general, and homosexuality in particular. I just don't understand the fascination with it.

Is homosexuality more damaging to society than Sabbath-breaking or praying out loud on street corners?

Amy Proctor said...

Actually, homosexuality itself (not homosexuals per se) are in a different genre. St. Paul describes it this way in Romans 1:

God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


The sin itself is a different level of depravity.

Amy P said...

Sexual sin is "such a big deal" because it's procreative in nature (dealing with creating human life) and it mirrors the love God has for his people. To taint that image is a grievious error.

When people engage in sex for selfish reasons it distracts from God and disallows Him to work grace to the person from Him.

This of course includes sex outside of marriage.

radar said...

" Please quote the actual law- and if you use the "pre-emptive action" section of the federal hate crime bill please explain how your interpretation of that section could be applied in accordance to the supreme court case I cited in a previous comment."

I forgot to answer the question with another question: You tell me how the "right to privacy" led to the Supremes deciding that women could legally murder their unborn children, and then I will tell you how such legislation will be used to criminalize Biblical teaching and force churches to hire those who willfully engage in sinful practices.

Anonymous said...

Liberals say they want to save people from AID's but they have no problem with people having anal sex and will defend the act. If liberals love homosexuals they would tell them to stop but they won't. They would rather use it as a political football even if people die from AID's. Liberals are void of logic. This is just one example. They also have a problem with logical progression and outcomes.

I know AID’s is spread not just with homosexuals but lets start with the most at risk group.