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Friday, September 26, 2008

Senator McCain is right! Obama campaign is wrong!

I believe, by my count, Barack Obama acknowledged that John McCain was right about something eight times, in fact it may have been his favorite phrase in the debate. McCain's favorite phrase, directed towards Obama, seemed to be that "you don't understand."

I had a lit professor who maintained that the most oft-repeated phrase in a chapter or book was very likely a summary of the book itself. If the debate last night was a chapter, it would be entitled, "The night Barack Obama considered voting for John McCain as President of the United States."

John McCain pulled his punches, didn't use his suspension of his campaign to help get a solution to the "Fannie/Freddie/Lehman and Friends" financial crisis while Obama said that "they would call him if they needed him" to illustrate how peripheral Barack Obama has really been to the legislative process during his time in office. Leaving it unsaid didn't leave it untrue.

But Barack was willing to give us some flat lies. Like his stand on missile defense. Like his characterization of Henry Kissinger's position on meeting with Iran and similar rogue states without preconditions.

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Man, John Stephenson, you are really on a roll this week!!! In reply to the faked pictures of Governor Palin in a bathing suit, you dig out an actual video of her back (and front) in her beauty pageant days.

Substantive arguments against the work Sarah Palin did in her various roles in town and state government in Alaska don't work, because she did a great job at every task she was given. Unlike some candidates we know, when she took office she spent her time trying to fix things and make them better and boot out the bad guys...rather than begin plotting for the next campaign for an even bigger job. Therefore the attack dogs come out. Charges of incest and aldultery and skullduggery and on and on and on, as I previously posted but Obama and his supporters continue to find more mud to throw against the wall. Someone connected to the Dems hacks her personal Yahoo email account and, does the ACLU rise up to defend her violated privacy rights? No, instead the liberal MSM have commentators speculating that she may have used her personal email to conduct official business!!! (She didn't, but it was illegal to look and they know it).

Appalling, the attacks on Sarah Palin. Now it seems that there may be charges brought against the Obama campaign after ties between the cowardly Ethan Winner and David Axelrod and the apparent voice-over actress hired to work for both "official" Obama ads and the smear video put out by Winner. Read Ethan Winner Calls The Waahmbulance! Don't miss the comments section.

Here is the apparent timeline:

Jawa Report exposes links between Winner, Axelrod and the actress.

Winner takes down his video from the site about an hour after Jawa's breaking post (Jawa has had lots more to say since).

Winner then takes the site down three hours after that.

Winner refuses to apologize for the lying smears and complains that Jawa posted private contact information on him on the blog (a lie) and that he took down the video because his family received threatening phone calls and emails (check the timeline and the time between the Jawa post and the taking down of the video. Think his family got lots of phone calls and emails at one in the morning???! )

Chicago Examiner.com has more about the links between the Obama campaign and the Palin smear video.

Actually, he must have made at least two different videos!

Ethan Winner, loser. Chicago Democratic Machine dirty politics for the entire nation to enjoy for another, what, 39 days?

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

The debate...was a debate. I don't have much to say there. McCain had his strong and weak points, as did Obama. I think you need to check your worldview before you declare McCain is right, Obama is wrong.

I thought you were shying away from posting on Palin now after those atrocious interviews, I can't see why the dems would have to do anything but play back her own words to the american people. She really confirmed her inability to be VP. I wouldn't be surprised if she withdraws from the election at this point.

The ACLU rising up to defend her privacy rights? I'm not sure you understand what the ACLU does (or you don't really care...you just look for any chance to make a dig). The ACLU protects freedom, yes, but not from random hackers. They protect your privacy from unwarranted government intrusion.

lava

Anonymous said...

"I believe, by my count, Barack Obama acknowledged that John McCain was right about something eight times, in fact it may have been his favorite phrase in the debate.

I had a lit professor who maintained that the most oft-repeated phrase in a chapter or book was very likely a summary of the book itself. If the debate last night was a chapter, it would be entitled, "The night Barack Obama considered voting for John McCain as President of the United States.""


I take it this is your own original observation or, for lack of a better word, your own "research"? Say, would it have killed you to have actually watched the debate or at least read the transcript or something?

Looks like you were just aping McCain's latest ad (or maybe it was a Stop The ACLU post or something) without paying it too much thought.

Because there is no way you could have watched the debate and come to the conclusion that Obama was just agreeing with McCain on all those points.

There's a quick run-down here, it really isn't that hard to understand, even for you: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=11437

-- creeper

radar said...

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194229.php

Just because.

Hope you won't miss the Palin/Biden debate.

radar said...

I watched the debate. Barack Obama lied at least three times (Kissinger, troop funding and missile defense), he had to look at his wrist band to remember the name of the soldier on it, he began his statements by saying McCain was right eight times and he voted "present" on the bailout package.

McCain slaughtered him on substance. Obama has style, but how much longer is that going to play to mainstream Americans?

radar said...

Oh, yeah, the Balloon Juice guy and/or Joe Biden understand wartime strategy and tactics better than John McCain, a veteran Naval Academy and War College graduate who actually commanded men in the military(not to mention being a highly decorated war hero)? That's like saying Barney Frank understands finance better than Warren Buffet.

No, that's like saying Barney Rubble understands finance better than Warren Buffet.

I was poking fun at Obama, not because he actually agrees with McCain, but because he began so many comments in this way because he really takes a long time to get to a point. We used to do that in college, you know, throw in all sorts of extra verbiage to shore up an essay lacking in substance. Another term for it is "BS." When Obama doesn't have a speech written for him he has to kind of ramble his way over to one of his talking points. McCain was quicker to the answer and decisive in those answers.

If John McCain's wife asks him if he loves her I bet he just says yes. Direct and to the point.

Anonymous said...

"That's like saying Barney Frank understands finance better than Warren Buffet."

The proof is in the pudding. Just because McCain served in the military 30-odd years ago doesn't make him a tactical or strategic genius today, and his erratic behavior of late has been a little disconcerting (selecting Palin after just one or two meetings, calling the debate off and then back on, etc.). He is not portraying a steady hand of leadership, "maverick" branding aside.

"When Obama doesn't have a speech written for him he has to kind of ramble his way over to one of his talking points. "

That pretty perfectly describes the Palin segments that I linked to, but not what Obama did in this debate (though if you have a response of his that you consider incoherent rambling, by all means dig it out).

Bottom line is that McCain didn't get what he needed from the debate. And if the best the McCain campaign can dig up for an ad is a whine that Obama said "McCain is right about x" and ignore the fact that that very consistently led to "but such and such", then they've got very little indeed.

The polls bear this out: the debate benefited Obama, not McCain.

"If John McCain's wife asks him if he loves her I bet he just says yes. Direct and to the point."

True, McCain does have a history of being very direct and to the point with his wife.

-- creeper

radar said...

Rasmussen polling:

67% of Obama supporters say Obama won the debate.

72% of McCain supporters say McCain won the debate.

The undecideds are unmoved as they are concentrating on the mortgage bailout dilemna.

Your characterization of McCain is amusing. Palin was a better choice than Biden. It was more Presidential to go get your hands dirty trying to fix the financial mess than it was to call in from the road, as Obama did. It was also telling that McCain intended to stay in Washington if he thought the country needed him there no matter if it hurt his campaign. Leadership means taking a hit for the team sometimes.

Anonymous said...

"Hope you won't miss the Palin/Biden debate."

Are you kidding? Her responses to Katie Couric on Russia / 700 billion etc. were comedy gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1PXHqrSp58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txfqWzGMgmY

The SNL writers had an easy time with this - they took chunks of her interview verbatim.

Amusingly, the more Palin gets prepped or whatever it is they do with her, the worse she gets. It'll be a most entertaining evening.

Been traveling the past week, so I'll get back to you on some previous "misrepresentations" (there's a shorter word for it, I'm sure) when I have some more time.

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

"The undecideds are unmoved as they are concentrating on the mortgage bailout dilemna."

Got any links to support your claim that "undecideds are unmoved"?

The only data I can find are in Obama's favor, for example this one:

The CBS poll of undecideds has more confirmatory detail. Obama went from a +18 on "understanding your needs and problems" before the debate to a +56 (!) afterward. And he went from a -9 on "prepared to be president" to a +21.

and

WHO WON THE DEBATE?
(Among uncommitted voters who watched debate)
Obama 39%, McCain 24, Tie 37

Nearly half of those uncommitted voters who watched the debate said that their image of Obama changed for the better as a result.[...]

THE DEBATE’S EFFECT ON OPINIONS OF THE CANDIDATES
(Among uncommitted voters who watched debate)
Obama McCain
Better 46% 32%
Worse 8 21
No change 46 47

McCain saw less improvement in his image. 32% have improved their
image of McCain as a result of the debate, but 21% said their views of
him are now worse than before.

Why did voters’ image of Obama improve? Many volunteered that they
were impressed by his poise and knowledge about the issues, that he
was more knowledgeable about the issues than they thought previously.
When it came to John McCain, those same voters said he “didn’t control
himself well under pressure”, that he was “angry and bad-tempered”,
and that he “talked too much about the past”.

On the other hand, voters who thought McCain won the debate felt he
showed more experience and understanding of the issues – particularly
foreign policy. Many felt he exceeded their expectations in how he
presented himself tonight, saying he was a “better debater” and a
“skilled speaker.”

Although much of this debate addressed foreign policy issues, the
candidates talked about the economy for about 30 minutes – which is
after all what voters say is their most important concern.
Uncommitted debate watchers saw Barack Obama as the clear winner on
handling the economy; 66% felt he would make the right decisions about
the economy, while 42% felt McCain would do so. [...]

PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE AMONG DEBATE WATCHERS
(Among uncommitted voters who watched debate)
Pre-debate Post-debate
Obama 36% 41%
McCain 34 29
Someone else 1 1 Depends 29 29


You can find the details of the poll in a PDF.


"Your characterization of McCain is amusing. Palin was a better choice than Biden."

In what way was she a better choice? I can see how she matches your ideology, and it must be exciting to have creationist running for VP, but she's quickly turning into a liability for McCain - even conservative commentators are saying that out loud now.

And the public isn't impressed.

"It was more Presidential to go get your hands dirty trying to fix the financial mess than it was to call in from the road, as Obama did."

I seem to recall Obama being in the same meeting as McCain, and what exactly is wrong with making use of the electric telephone to communicate over long distances?

Pity though, because in the end it's Obama that the public trusts more to deal with the financial crisis by 47% (Obama) to 35% (McCain) (PDF).

That's gotta suck for McCain, after all he did. What exactly did he do again?

"It was also telling that McCain intended to stay in Washington if he thought the country needed him there no matter if it hurt his campaign."

You mean when he canceled Letterman, but then dilly-dallied around NY anyway and didn't even go back to Washington that night?

Or when he pretended to suspend his campaign?

"Leadership means taking a hit for the team sometimes."

Yeah, that's why McCain has the worst attendance record in the Senate right now, even worse than the guy with the brain hemorrhage. Country first, eh?

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

"Like his characterization of Henry Kissinger's position on meeting with Iran and similar rogue states without preconditions."

This was not a lie at all: Obama was completely right. McCain subsequently tried to twist his words into "presidential meetings", which is not what Obama had said. See here, check the bottom of the page, and then on to page 2.

-- creeper