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Friday, May 29, 2009

Segue into the next phase of Darwin versus God


My Christian friends, this is primarily for you although non-believers are welcome as always!

Take a look at this picture, because at first it is not apparent what it is. There is a stetch of highway in Alberta, Canada, where the Elk were continually being hit because they were crossing the road or on the bridge on the road above where they endangered both themselves and the vehicles and passengers, as Elk are pretty massive road hazards. The Canadians built a bridge for the Elk and the Elk now avoid both roads and take their own personal bridge across, thank you very much!

The point is that it is dangerous for both the Elk and automobiles to take the same path and that is true of Christians and the unbelievers. There is a way that seems right to a man, but that way leads to death and destruction. Which leads me to this preliminary and introductory post -

A song by the Newsboys, written by Peter Furler and Steve Taylor:


Lost The Sky Again


Like a criminal guilty on all counts,
rattling his cage with every ounce of resolve he never had,
I was convicted.




Then I took the pardon and the walls came down,
but I must like it here,
'cause I keep hanging around for a better suit,
and an escort, and a winning lottery ticket.




First we waited for miracles.
Then we needed a sign.
Now we're here to confess
we've wasted the time.





Every blade will wither and fade,
as the old man dies again.
Season pass, we're clinging to grass,
'cause we've lost the sky again.




Like a woman trying to give birth,
she strains, she labors, she's not sure if it's worth the suffering,
as she wonders, "How long?"




When I first heard the rumor you were coming back
I confess my impatience, I guess I lost track
of what I'm to persevere for,
Of the reason you put me here for.




Back then it was any day now.
Never dreamed we were wrong.
Now we're shaking our heads, wondering, "how long?"





Every blade... I feel a moment of your perfect love.
I catch a glimmer of your sweet grace.
But it only makes me long for the day
when I look full in your face.




Every blade will wither and fade,
as the old man dies again.
Season pass, we're clinging to grass,
'cause we've lost the sky again.


~~~~~~~~

It is time to change focus for awhile. Some commenters want me to get on a stepladder and take a magnifying glass to something on the Big Oz Head when Toto has already pulled the curtain aside to reveal the powerless little faker. I don't care if there is an article that demonstrates that hundreds of layers of snow can leave traces in Arctic or Antarctic ice or whether it is only a hundred or even several dozen, it is minutiae not worthy of our time. Neo-Darwinists have massive problems with the basics of their worldview and so they try to get us to look at tiny little aspects of the problems. They are crying, "Don't throw me in that Brar' patch!" and I am not listening.

No, it is time to spend some time with my brothers and sisters in Christ who have convinced themselves that Darwin and God co-exist quite nicely. First of all, since Charles Darwin denied God and refused to receive Christ, he isn't hanging out with God right now...and his hypotheses don't belong next to the Bible, either.


We Christians have far too often fallen prey to the trap of ORTHODOX THINKING. We like sheep get in line with the rest of the flock and blindly follow without looking at where everyone is going. Remember that Paul praised the Bereans for not just believing everything Paul preached, but first opened the Scriptures to compare Paul's doctrine with what God had said.


"Then I took the pardon and the walls came down,
but I must like it here,
'cause I keep hanging around for a better suit,
and an escort, and a winning lottery ticket. "


Honestly, I went to seminary with a couple of guys who decided to buy a big house with a balloon loan since "Jesus was coming back any day now and the world would get stuck with the mortgage." Now, the attitude of cheating someone out of their rightful goods/payment was ungodly anyway, but there were all these guys believing popular preachers and TV and radio preachers telling them that a rapture was going to happen by 1984...by 1988...1994...2000...and on and on and on. These were young men studying to be pastors and school administrators and teachers!


"First we waited for miracles.
Then we needed a sign.
Now we're here to confess
we've wasted the time."


The fact is, a good portion of the church needs to repent for the attitude that God is planning to come down and snatch them away from their problems at any moment. Another idea is that, if we have faith and give money to God, he will give us great riches in return. Thinking like that makes rich men of shysters like Robert Tilton and gives God a bad name. In countless churches and televised services around the planet each week, men wearing thousand-dollar suits will preach to the crowd about the healing and money and jobs and fame they will reap if they believe hard enough and (of course) give their ministry enough money "by faith."


God is not here to make our temporal lives more comfortable or upgrade us from a Ford to a Mercedes! (Ask Janis, she knew better). God is sovereign and has a plan with eternal ends and consequences. He wants us to follow His Word and the leading of His Spirit and, in doing so, we will often reap the consequences of good behavior. But we will also suffer for His sake if we are doing things right and there is no guarantee we will not get sick or die young. God promises us an abundant life, not a life of leisure and riches! We tend to reap what we sew, both good and evil, whether saved or sinner. I have often prayed to ask God that someone I love, or myself, would NOT reap the consequences of a foolish or selfish act. But He is not obligated to bail us out.


God made us to have fellowship with Him forever and enjoy the wonders of an eternity beyond imagination. We screwed the whole thing up the first time, Jesus Christ had to come and live and die and be raised again to give us a second chance. Right now God is focused on giving the entire world that second chance. He hears our prayers and I am sure He intervenes in millions of situations every day but His first priority is bringing as many men, women and children into relationship with Him as will, until He decides it is time to end this temporal world and judgement time begins.



"Like a woman trying to give birth,
she strains, she labors, she's not sure if it's worth the suffering,
as she wonders, "How long?"




When I first heard the rumor you were coming back
I confess my impatience, I guess I lost track
of what I'm to persevere for,
Of the reason you put me here for.




Back then it was any day now.
Never dreamed we were wrong.
Now we're shaking our heads, wondering, "how long?"





Every blade... I feel a moment of your perfect love.
I catch a glimmer of your sweet grace.
But it only makes me long for the day
when I look full in your face.




Every blade will wither and fade,
as the old man dies again.
Season pass, we're clinging to grass,
'cause we've lost the sky again. "


So now I wonder how many of us who name Christ as Savior have lost the sky and are focused on the grass? How long will it be? Well, you will probably live and have kids and grand kids and maybe even great-grand kids before you get old and die. Then Psalms 17:15 will really mean something to you:


As for me, I will see Your face in righteousness;
I shall be satisfied when I awake in Your likeness.


Christian, just because "everyone" believes in a rapture and a tribulation period, that doesn't make it so. Just because "everyone" in your church thinks you must be baptized to be saved has no impact on the truth. The wise Christian studies his Bible carefully, as it says in II Timothy 2:14-16, and concentrates on truth while avoiding gossip and trendy rumors and new moves of some sort of spirit.



Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.



Too many of my brothers and sisters just believe what the majority is saying and doing without bothering to check with God. Thus, we have something called Theistic Evolution, a preposterous combination of atheistic fairy tales and a Creator God who doesn't want or need them.


Lemmings follow lemmings in mass migrations. They don't actually tumble off of cliffs (the footage commonly shown was a gimmick, a Disney photographer set up some kind of turntable to hurl the creatures out into space!) but they do sometimes head off in dangerous directions like a stretch of water that is beyond them to cross and drown. It is true that the leaders will sometimes come to a cliff and halt, but the relentless crowd behind them presses forward and sends the leaders over the edge.


Don't be a lemming. Know why you believe what you believe. If you have doubts about a literal six days of creation, I have a challenge for you! Come with me on a journey through the beginning of Genesis and let's look at the Bible language and the evidence that we can see for ourselves today and consider whether God was telling us the truth or a whimsical parable when He claimed when and how He created the Universe. My next series is going to go verse by verse through the creation story in Genesis and bring in the observations of modern scientists and consider whether Darwin can or should be shoe-horned in somewhere.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

"It is time to change focus for awhile."

I bet. Too many questions you can't answer, eh? You can't defend your claims, and your immature pride prevents you from conceding in public what is already clear thanks to your continued inability to answer more and more questions.

So it's time for plan B: Quick, everybody look over there!

"Some commenters want me to get on a stepladder and take a magnifying glass to something on the Big Oz Head when Toto has already pulled the curtain aside to reveal the powerless little faker."

You wish. If that were the case, you'd have a lot more answers than you've shown capable of providing. Instead you're stuck on childish nonsense like "the theory of evolution predicts that bacteria turn into something other than bacteria in a lab experiment" or "study of ice cores shows that many, perhaps hundreds of layers can be formed in one year".

You're the powerless little faker in question, Radar. The honorable thing is to accept defeat on arguments you simply can't defend. It's okay to be wrong. They're not going to take away your Christian badge or anything. It may even lead you to a deeper understanding of your faith. On the other hand it's silly to defend or repeat claims that you clearly can't back up.

Admitting fault doesn't mean a strike against God or Christianity. It just means a strike against a small part of your particular interpretation of it.

-- creeper

ExPreacherMan said...
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Anonymous said...

"Hmmm, seems like you have inherited one of my trolls."

Nope, I've been coming here semi-regularly for years, and I'm pretty sure I've never commented on your blog. Today was either the first or second time I've seen it.

Your blog is nice and all, but it's sadly not as entertaining as the unintentional hilarity that Radar provides.

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

"I don't care if there is an article that demonstrates that hundreds of layers of snow can leave traces in Arctic or Antarctic ice or whether it is only a hundred or even several dozen, it is minutiae not worthy of our time."

There's evidence that the world is vastly older than the 6,000 years you give it. Your response to one part of this was that "study of ice cores shows that many, perhaps hundreds of layers can be formed in one year". You were called on this questionable claim - and have been running away from it ever since.

Now you profess not to care. No surprise there. What alternative do you have? Admit the truth? Not your thing, apparently.

Of course there is no such study. You made it up. I have a sneaking suspicion that this "study" you refer to is a casual observation you made in your backyard: "BTW, my back porch railing had six layers of snow with discernible lines between the layers. There may have been more but the naked eye could only see six. These accumulated over a nine day period rather than a nine year period. Ice cores are useful in many ways, but accurate dating for the age of the Earth is not one of them."

This is that "study" you're referring to, isn't it?

Isn't it?

And if that's the case - and you make claims like the theory of evolution predicting that bacteria turn into something other than bacteria in a lab experiment - and you still don't get the fallacy of division, despite having this explained to you in terms where, seriously, a 6-year-old would understand it -

- then I find the suspicion I voiced earlier that you simply don't get the opposing arguments completely validated. You're out of your depth.

Your complete concession on the issue of ice cores is appreciated. But where does that leave this recurring weird claim of a young Earth?

"Neo-Darwinists have massive problems with the basics of their worldview and so they try to get us to look at tiny little aspects of the problems."

What "massive problems" do people who accept the theory of evolution as the most likely explanation of the multitude of species have with their worldview? They include atheists, but also majorities and large chunks of certain religions.

-- creeper

radar said...

creeper, try getting involved in the conversation rather than ad hominem attacks. I have answered every question you bring up before and refuse to keep going back to them again and again.

Suppose you answer some questions for a change?

Evolution demands that complex life will evolve from less complex life. Yet, our long studies of fruit flies and bacteria show absolutely no indication that either of these creatures are evolving into anything else. Like it or lump it, that is what the studies (which I published on this blog) show.

You are the one that cannot show evolution happening, cannot begin to explain how life comes from non-life or where information comes from. You are devoid of anything but propaganda and have no answers to the basic questions. Show me where you have ever made a difference in this dialogue?

Let's talk about evolution. Are you conceding that evolution cannot be seen happening? Because if we are not going to see creatures that can produce multiple generations in short time periods like bacteria evolving into something else, how in the world do you actually expect exceeding complex animals like woodpeckers or beavers to have ever evolved?

Now I am stating this simply so that everyone can understand. Living creatures are remarkably complex. Darwinism posits that all life evolved from exceeding simple life forms. However, we never observe this happening. Never. Period.

We do see life forms losing information, we see extinctions, we see mutations that usually cause harm to organisms. We sometimes see genetic information being exchanged, but never do we see new information being added to the genetic code.

We are still nailing down the DNA content of a simple yeast. The study of this simple life form has shown that there are six thousand genes in the yeast and, as of now, we only know what perhaps half of them do. According to Dr. Ian Macreadie, a much-published and awarded microbiologist and molecular biologist who works with CSIRO, perhaps only 5% of the yeast gene is fully understood in the three-dimensional sense. The six thousand genes have been mapped, but researchers have learned that the genes coding changes according to the reading frame used to translate the code. therefore, the same section of DNA can have multiple purposes depending upon where the "reading frame" is settled upon.

The human brain has over 100 billion nerve cells, interconnected and working together (and many more glial cells and structures as well) and scientists using microscopes with a magnification of 50,000 have been able to view the individual actions of these cells receiving individual impulses. How did this evolve into a brain capable of considering abstract concepts?

There are so many thousands of examples of irreducible complexity in the world of nature, so many symbiotic relationships (including those that are happening within your own body right now), so many patterns of migration that are impossible to explain in terms of being developed. How do Plovers fly all the way across the ocean to Hawaii without being able to swim or eat, a trip that should use more energy than they have in bodyweight? A mistake of less than 1% in navigation would leave them all falling into the ocean, dead. They fly in formation, as do geese, and by flying together they make the journey less calorie-intensive than it would be as individuals. They still lose half their body weight during the five day flight.

radar said...

How did the woodpecker evolve a shock absorber and a tongue too long for other uses with barbs on the end, glue to catch bugs and solvent to melt the glue so the tongue is not swallowed?

How does a caterpillar know to build a chrysallis, then know that it can fly when it wakes up as a butterfly, then know what to eat, then know when to fly south for the winter and how does it know where to go?

How did the bombadier beetle evolve a complex chemical factory that shoots out dangerous chemicals in microbursts that scare off and injure enemies without blowing itself up, knocking itself over or burning up?

How did bumblebees devised a flight style with wings and lift that should not be sufficient to even lift them off the ground?

How does the Australian Brush Turkey keep the eggs in its giant nests at exactly 91 degrees and 99.5% humidity by knowing exactly when to pile on some leaves and when to toss on some sand and when to dig a small hole? How does it know how hot and humid it is inside that big pile of stuff and how does it understand that it is critical to keep the environment in there at just the right levels?

How does cold fire in fireflies and glow worms work? We cannot duplicate what they are able to do, which is produce a light that is 100% efficient as opposed to our standard 4% efficient light bulbs.

Did you know that brain surgeons study woodpecker brains and skulls to help understand how to heal injuries to human brains? That we learned much of our dam technology from beavers? That microengineers study bacteria to learn more about miniature motor design?

I am not worried about questions. Anyone who wants to study ice cores will learn that everyone in the field knows that more than one layer and in fact multiple layers are laid down in snowfields in one year. I published a long article about this and included the burial of lost WWII aircraft that, according to how you might measure ice layers, had been buried several centuries!!! So it isn't that I didn't answer you, it is that you didn't like the way you were answered. So do your own research.

I am interested in pursuing the main goal, which is to demonstrate that the idea that evolution is scientific fact is a complete lie and an attempt to brainwash society into discarding the concept of a Creator God.

If one continually accuse creationists of being stupid or ignorant? You might want to look up "transference and projection" in the psychological dictionary. Perhaps there is some kind of similar phenomenon associated with the typical evolutionist? It makes sense, since an evolutionist must blind himself to logic and ignore the first and most obvious explanation for the world he lives in to credit the Universe and life and matter and information and time to "it just happened somehow." That has to be stressful!

Anonymous said...

Oh boy. You know Radar, this part, where you wrote,
"I am interested in pursuing the main goal, which is to demonstrate that the idea that evolution is scientific fact is a complete lie and an attempt to brainwash society into discarding the concept of a Creator God.",
at least technically, means that you are a complete nut with, what one could only describe as, a "weak connection with reality" (hang in there man, seriously). I mean, read that statement again, and just try imagine the kind, and volume, of grand, global and ridiculous (not to mention, successful) conspiracies that would have to be going on (to this very day, no less), in order for you to be correct. No wonder you refuse to acknowledge real scientific evidence when dropped in your lap on this blog (thank you again creeper for your awesome posts, I realize you're a smart guy/gal but that still takes some time to put down - my particular favorite is when his own words are thrown back at him - kudos). I hadn't though about this before Radar, but you probably believe that us "Darwinist" commenters are actually, Darwin Corp. Conspiracy Agents or something, or perhaps, even better IMO, that we're demons, sent by Satan himself.

By the way, your continued attempts to connect snow layers in a particular season to the layers found in the ice cores used to measure the earth's atmosphere going back hundreds of thousands of years, is one of the reasons why we "Darwinist" commenters keep questioning your intelligence. I say that if you don't want to be called dumb Radar, you could probably start making things a little easier for yourself by not saying such dumb things.

Creeper nailed you yet again and, surprise, surprise you are, as usual, working hard to bury the post, so as to attempt to continue your little charade. Dodge upon dodge, upon dodge. I too am here for Radar's, epic, and I mean epic, "unintentional hilarity" that creeper referred to above. Radar, you have the audacity to talk about a "main goal" of debunking the idea of evolution as a scientific fact, and yet you have clearly demonstrated that you can't even get the age of the earth right (to an almost unbelievable degree - 6000 vs 4500000000, is pretty bad math as Dawkins recently pointed out). And, to top things off, as evidenced by this quote "It is time to change focus for awhile.", you don't even care to try. What a joke, however unintentional it may be.

- Canucklehead

By-the-way, Radar, buddy, just because you couldn't possibly imagine how the things you describe in your comment above could have possibly evolved doesn't mean that nobody can. Perhaps it simply means that you, due to your beliefs or lack of intelligence, or a combination of both, are incapable of it.

Anonymous said...

Amazingly relevant clip of Richard Dawkins on Young Earth Creationism etc. As far as I'm concerned, he absolutely nails it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wr6jNIzsy8

Radar, I dare you to watch the whole video. Listen to everything he says. Mr. Dawkins essentially answers most, if not all, of your "questions" to creeper (and probably lots of our questions regarding you), at least IMO.

- Canucklehead

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I couldn't resist trying to post this other great, and relevant, clip from Professor Dawkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhoniuxRVRU&NR=1

Watch it if you dare Radar.

- Canucklehead

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMN7UkZnFk&NR=1

More gold. And in bite sized easy to digest morsels.

- Canucklehead

radar said...

Gee, Canucklehead, you must be really really smart and the rest of us really really stupid. Now I understand, I might as well turn off my brain because I am simply not equipped to understand the processes you demonstrated to all here that explain the cause of the Universe, the cause of life, the input of information and the way everything got so incredibly complex. I had better go back and look!

Anonymous said...

So by "rest of us" you're referring to you, Debbie, highboy and that "honorthyself" lady that just desperately wants people to come to her own crazy blog? Because my math has you guys outnumbered by us "neo-darwinist" commenters Mr. Binder.

Yes Radar I do, in fact, think you could very well be really really stupid, I mean, it's either that or really really brainwashed.

Don't "turn off your brain" Radar. I think its probably time you turned it on. You say you were once a humanist. Tell me Radar, what was the religion of your parents and how did they present religion to you when you were a child? Your answer to this question will reveal weather your position on science in general is a) the result of, what Dawkins would call, child abuse, or b) just plain old stupidity. Although, to be fair, just keeping straight all of your "excuses" for the many many instances where science or history contradicts your "good book" means, to me at least, that somebody told little Radar that he would burn in hell if you didn't believe in the invisible man in the sky.

Anonymous said...

Ooops... forgot to sign off again.

Radar, as if you didn't know already, that comment up there ^^^ was me.

- Canucklehead

radar said...

So by "rest of us" you're referring to you, Debbie, highboy and that "honorthyself" lady that just desperately wants people to come to her own crazy blog? Because my math has you guys outnumbered by us "neo-darwinist" commenters Mr. Binder.

Actually the majority of people in the United States believe that God created the Universe. Some accept evolution as a part of God's plan and some do not. But in fact the majority of Americans do outnumber your point of view. I am unsure of the polling numbers in Canada.

However, the series DaVinci's Inquest (later DaVinci's City Hall) is quite interesting. It is a fictionalized account of the actual story of Vancouver, BC coroner Larry Campbell who became mayor of the city and it represents actual events and people to some extent (the loss of sports franchises, the 'Low Track' problems including prostitution, drug addiction, homelessness, the domination of the docks and drug trade by biker gangs, the pig farmer serial killer). It also represents the general Canadian point of view. It is a brilliant series!

On a side note, many Canadian series like Cold Squad were simply ripped off by the US networks moguls (thus, Cold Case). The Closer is just a mediocre clone of Britain's most excellent Prime Suspect and Helen Mirren kicks Kyra Sedgwick's butt in terms of developing a real human, flawed, interesting character rather than a stereotypical cartoonish superwoman with a taste for candy.

Anyway, I cannot stereotype Canadians individually but generally the average Canadian is more liberal than the average American. Canadians bought the whole idea of government-run healh care and now if a Canadian really needs a major operation they most often come south to the USA. Canadian-run health care systems are forcing asylum inmates onto the streets. Canada does not have a death penalty so serial killers occasionally change addresses so that, if they are caught, they can be prosecuted under Canadian laws.

Prostitution in and of itself is not a crime in Canada, thus street strollers are more prevalent. Drug usage is largely ignored, especially marijuana.

In short, Canucklehead, you have probably been programmed by your environment to be very leftist and quite anti-God. Perhaps you should ask yourself some of the questions you ask me?



Yes Radar I do, in fact, think you could very well be really really stupid, I mean, it's either that or really really brainwashed.

If you are attentive and observant, my use of language should clue you in to the idea that I am not stupid. My college GPA was 3.88 and my entrance test scores were 99th percentile. I have raised my kids in an environment of books and learning and a rich and varied usage of the English language. All but one of them, a daughter who is allergic to math and had several major surgeries before the age of seven,
have been honor roll students and all of them(except the one still in high school) have gone on to college and, if old enough, professional careers. We actually speak words like "ubiquitous" and "albeit" around the house. For you to make the observation that I am stupid either means that you are not smart enough to know the difference, you are calling names because you do not like my viewpoint, or you yourself are the brainwashed one.

radar said...

Don't "turn off your brain" Radar. I think its probably time you turned it on. You say you were once a humanist. Tell me Radar, what was the religion of your parents and how did they present religion to you when you were a child? Your answer to this question will reveal weather your position on science in general is a) the result of, what Dawkins would call, child abuse, or b) just plain old stupidity. Although, to be fair, just keeping straight all of your "excuses" for the many many instances where science or history contradicts your "good book" means, to me at least, that somebody told little Radar that he would burn in hell if you didn't believe in the invisible man in the sky.

I spoke to some of this in my very last post. Check out the top of the blog. My parents didn't teach me about God and the Bible at all and I was certainly not raised in a Christian home. Since I was an agnostic and a believer in evolution who had considered becoming a paleontologist, my position was far from your premise.

I went to school and just took in what they taught me and accepted it with only a minimal critical glance. It is only as an adult that I began to review my worldview and consider whether it was sensible and consistent with the evidence. Now I can say, unlike many of my commenters, that I have looked into my basic belief system with a critical eye and long ago and began examining and testing every segment of it.

Canucklehead, I doubt you even know of any inconsistencies in the Bible. I doubt that you know of any historical data that disproves the Biblical accounts. You just throw those statements out without any idea of what these things might be, like someone who has been brainwashed.

Most archeologists who work or worked in the Middle East have used the Bible in their research as a reference book, because it has time and time again proven to be accurate about the people who lived in the region and who ruled whom when.

My next post is going to address a couple of questions that need resolution before we get all the way to Genesis chapter one verse two. Trying to lay down the proper foundation for this series is turning out to be rather complex. But nevertheless we go forward!

Anonymous said...

Most educated people don't believe what you believe Radar. In fact, the higher the education level, the harder it becomes to find anyone with your belief system. A belief system that, as you well know, trades in ignorance.

Now lets talk about your Canadian BS. You say,
"Canadians bought the whole idea of government-run healh care and now if a Canadian really needs a major operation they most often come south to the USA." - "most often"? Seriously Radar? Can you cite your source for this "feeling"? Do you know how many Canadians I know that have done this? NONE. Not a single person. I say we talk about how our two health care systems treat the poor and young in our respective countries if we really want to decide which is better. Oh and as a person with apparently significant health problems, you sure are quick to dismiss universal health care. I wonder how you would feel about the issue had you not been employed in your higher -end-of-the-pay-scale white collar industry? Take a look at some facts and then let's move on shall we?
- Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
- Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are better than in the United States.
- Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
- No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills.
- The Canadian Medical System is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
- Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.
Source - National Post Article - US Health Care Lies - May 2009

OK so back to your crappy Canadian content, you also say, almost randomly that "Canadian-run health care systems are forcing asylum inmates onto the streets." Where does this come from and have you seen this Frontline piece called The Released, on the handling of the mentally ill in your country? Check it out,
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/released/view/
Because you apparently need to watch it.

Finally you serve up this particularly smelly morsel, "Canada does not have a death penalty so serial killers occasionally change addresses so that, if they are caught, they can be prosecuted under Canadian laws."
Um, I think you guys can still get those guys through extradition unless they killed people in Canada. Although, you would probably assert that they finished up their spree north of the border JUST so that they could get a crack at a stay in our posh Canadian prisons. I don't suppose you have a source for this one either hey? Not surprising considering your penchant for posting "gut feelings" as facts.

Let me think about your claims of a non-religious upbringing for a while because, if true, that is bit a stumper. That said, I should have known, in that evangelical converts are usually much worse in terms of prostheletizing fanaticism than the ones born into it because of claims surrounding making the choice as a rational adult. Going back to Dawkins, I suppose he would say that you must then be simply mad. And being a bit insane fits with your very weird recurring purposeful ignorance. In that, technically, you should be able to understand the evidence for evolution etc. when presented to you it's just that you really really don't want to. As I said Radar, you do seem to be able to keep quite a bit of crap stored in that big melon of yours, its just that I would hope you would use it more for awesome than for evil.

- Canucklehead

Anonymous said...

"If you are attentive and observant, my use of language should clue you in to the idea that I am not stupid. My college GPA was 3.88 and my entrance test scores were 99th percentile."

I can't quite decide whether you lack intelligence or intellectual honesty. There are times when I tend to think it's one or the other. It's a fact, though, that some of your argument preclude the possibility of you being both intelligent and intellectually honest at the same time. You may well be sick of hearing them, but the prison population argument was one such instance. Either you don't understand the logical fallacy of division and/or the argument that I made (and I made it repeatedly, and in very, very simple terms), or you are not willing to admit your mistake in public.

I forget whether your drug phase was before or after college, but if you took significant amounts of drugs and alcohol after college, the possibility of brain damage can't be entirely excluded. Also, the psychological effect of finding your way out of that personal hell by becoming a Christian makes it possible that your gratitude to your faith clouds your judgement. If something contradicts your interpretation of the Bible's narrative, you shut down all logical argument and insist that what you believe must be true, even while you can no longer defend your position.

If you really want to impress us with your intellect, don't present us with ancient test results or how you use big words at home. They carry extremely little water when you repeatedly claim that the theory of evolution predicts that bacteria should turn into "something other than bacteria" in 10,000 generations or so. That alone is evidence of such breathtaking ignorance on your part that it doesn't matter how many syllables you claim to string together at home.

-- creeper