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Saturday, November 07, 2009

Good guys and bad guys in the House, the list

Cartoon from Chekminus


CORRECTED POST WITH CORRECT VOTE (initially we were given the results of 886)

Just to be clear, the NOES are the good guys and the AYES are the ones who bowed to the Red Queen Pelosi rather than stand up for the Constitution and the voice of the people.

Nancy Pelosi actually had the audacity to sign and pass out copies of the massive bill that she did not read after the fact. Amazing!

Final Vote Results for Roll Call 886

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 887
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 3962 RECORDED VOTE 7-Nov-2009 11:16 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Affordable Health Care for America Act

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Democratic 219 39
Republican 1 176
Independent
TOTALS 220 215


---- AYES 220 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baldwin
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Cao
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chu
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Dahlkemper
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Ellsworth
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Foster
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Giffords
Gonzalez
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
Kind
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Klein (FL)
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Markey (MA)
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Nadler (NY)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Perriello
Peters
Pingree (ME)
Polis (CO)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Rodriguez
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schauer
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth

---- NOES 215 ---

Aderholt
Adler (NJ)
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Baird
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boccieri
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boren
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd
Brady (TX)
Bright
Broun (GA)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Castle
Chaffetz
Chandler
Childers
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (AL)
Davis (KY)
Davis (TN)
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dreier
Duncan
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Emerson
Fallin
Flake
Fleming
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gordon (TN)
Granger
Graves
Griffith
Guthrie
Hall (TX)
Harper
Hastings (WA)
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth Sandlin
Hoekstra
Holden
Hunter
Inglis
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan (OH)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kissell
Kline (MN)
Kosmas
Kratovil
Kucinich
Lamborn
Lance
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lee (NY)
Lewis (CA)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Markey (CO)
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McMahon
McMorris Rodgers
Melancon
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Minnick
Moran (KS)
Murphy (NY)
Murphy, Tim
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nunes
Nye
Olson
Paul
Paulsen
Pence
Peterson
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Posey
Price (GA)
Putnam
Radanovich
Rehberg
Reichert
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schmidt
Schock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Simpson
Skelton
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Tanner
Taylor
Teague
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Turner
Upton
Walden
Wamp
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)


How much longer will America BE America? I grieve for my country but I am also a veteran so doggone if I am not going to fight for it as well. This is not over...
2010 is coming. Find your Congressman in this crowd and vote accordingly!

As One Angry Man points out graphically, ignorance has been Obama's primary weapon up to this point:

Ah yes, that is the same question they began asking in the Soviet Union a generation ago. Too many young people do not remember the Wall and the Iron Curtain or the lessons of Communism. The Obama Administration is promising a chicken in every pot but, unless they are magic, someone is paying for both the chicken and the pot. Right?

Rob's Right!

12 comments:

Hawkeye® said...

Hi Radar! Glad to hear you're feeling better. Saw your comment over at my place a bit late (I'm not getting my usual e-mail notifications for some reason). Will try to stop by more often.

(:D) Best regards...

radar said...

Hawkeye, I am going to link your excellent global dumbing post soon, it was terrific!

Chaos Engineer said...

The Obama Administration is promising a chicken in every pot but, unless they are magic, someone is paying for both the chicken and the pot. Right?

Well, yes, we'll all be paying for it one way or another. But the question is, will we get a bad return on our investment?

Right now I've got a good job and reasonably good insurance, and from what I've seen of the bill, I'll probably wind up paying a bit more for health care. So if I were incapable of thinking about the long term and if I were completely selfish and also an idiot, I'd oppose health insurance reform.

But I'd be overlooking what I'd be gaining from reform: If I have a run of bad luck, I won't wind up in a situation where I get sick, find out I've become uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition, drive my whole family into bankruptcy, and then die when the money runs out.

I think that kind of peace-of-mind is worth something. I mean, what's the point of paying for insurance if it's not there when you need it?


Also, did we ever come up with a good explanation of how health-insurance reform is going to lead to Communism and Naziism and now Wizard-of-Id-style Monarchy?

We've had Medicare and Medicaid for 40 years and we've managed to survive as a Republic. Is this new program so much worse?

WomanHonorThyself said...

how much longer will it be America?..sad and scarey!..the families of Fort Hood victims must be reeling from this pathetic excuse for a President!

radar said...

Canada is a good example of government run healthcare going downhill.

My doctor has customized my care for me. I have gone to that clinic since 1984. But government regulations would tell him what drugs and treatments I could receive rather than his personal knowledge being the deciding factor. I could be declared handicapped but I have chosen not to do it. But government healthcare might force my hand.

Then I probably would be told Oxycontin or nothing for my pain. Oxy is very addictive and I have been avoiding it.

My story, multiply it by millions of Americans with family doctors. Add in a layer of unknowing and uncaring office wonks describing treatment policies. Add billions of dollars of taxes and Constitutionally illegal fines. What have you got? Obamacare.

Right now I think I would be better off 100 years ago and wondering whether or not to replace my horse with a motor carriage. If someone tried to rob me or enslave me back then, I would just pull out my shotgun or .45. Now it is the government who is both robbing and enslaving me and what can I do? All I have is my voice and my vote.

Hawkeye® said...

Chaos Engineer,
So if I were incapable of thinking about the long term and if I were completely selfish and also an idiot, I'd oppose health insurance reform.

You are also a turd. Trust me, I am NOT completely selfish, and also NOT an idiot, and hey... guess what? I oppose the Democratic health insurance reform.

Just wanted you to know that "thinking" individuals can disagree. I do not oppose ANY health care reform... just this Democratic current version of it.

We've had Medicare and Medicaid for 40 years and we've managed to survive as a Republic. Is this new program so much worse?

YES! Medicare and Medicaid are both broke. Ironically, the federal government seems to know exactly how much money they are spending on those programs which is going to waste, fraud and abuse.

The question that begs to be asked of course is: Why hasn't the government done anything to stop the waste, fraud and abuse that they are paying for?

The obvious answer is that government doesn't know how to manage ANYTHING properly! The "War on Poverty" has been lost. The Post Office is broke. Amtrak is broke. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are broke. The government passed the Credit Reinvestment Act (CRA) which was the primary cause of the current global financial crisis. Social Security almost went broke during the Reagan administration and is running out of money again. The military requires constant cash infusions. The "stimulus" bill isn't stimulating. Obama quadrupled the deficit in one year. The U.S. dollar is falling in value. We are printing money at record rates. And the current economic policies are guaranteed to throw us into inflation, or another recession.

On top of everything else, the U.S. government is NOT authorized under the U.S. Constitution to get involved in health care. If you read the Constitution, you will learn that there is something known as the "enumerated powers" of the federal government. "Health care" is NOT among them.

I think that kind of peace-of-mind is worth something. Yes, it may be worth something, but "peace-of-mind" is not something that the federal government is authorized to provide under the U.S. Constitution.

The Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to "LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS". (Nothing in there about 'Peace-of-mind'... sorry.) You can pursue happiness but are not guaranteed anything; especially "peace-of-mind".

What the Constitution guarantees is that you have the right to go out and "PURSUE" happiness. Good luck in your pursuit.

Anonymous said...

Chaos, I'm glad you have peace of mind for yourself and your family but what happens when the country goes bankrupt? If doctor's can't afford to stay in business what good is insurance? This big bloated bill that no human can decipher will only bury US deeper in debt.

highboy said...

People aren't going to bust their ass in school for umpteen years so they can come out and make chump change for cutting people open. Not going to happen. We'll have a doctor shortage, leading to outrageous wait times, just like Canada, only with our population, it will be worse. Not to mention we're over taxed as it is, and despite the leftist claim that the top rich people should have to pay the way for everybody, its not sustainable.

Chaos Engineer said...
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Chaos Engineer said...

Radar, the laws we're talking about don't involve regulations on health care. They're regulations on health insurance.

So your doctor's going to be able to give you the same kind of health care you're getting today. The only question is, will you have to continue to pay for it yourself, or will you get reimbursed through an insurance policy?

Of course, you could still wind up losing money on the deal...if most of your health care involves things that an insurance company won't pay for, then you'll be paying premiums and not getting much of anything in return.

But is that really likely to happen? I understand if you don't want to talk about your personal medical issues on the Internet...but has your doctor ever said to you, "You know, most insurance companies won't pay for this treatment, and neither will Medicare or Medicaid. If you couldn't afford to pay for it out of your own pocket, then you wouldn't be getting it at all."

If that's what's going on, then it makes perfect sense for you to oppose health insurance reform. But I wonder why the insurance companies are refusing to cover medical procedures that are safe and effective? Maybe they'd start covering it if people lobbied for change?

Hawkeye and Anonymous, your arguments are just pure teabaggery. I know it's cool and trendy to say that the government can't do anything right, and that the private sector can't do anything wrong, but that's got no basis in observable reality.

Here's an article called, The Forgotten Achievements of Government that talks about some successful government programs. It's got a bit of bias to it but it's still pretty good.

Highboy, the Canadians have a single-payer insurance system. The laws we're talking about here are more like the German system. (Mandated individual coverage with a mix of public and private insurance offerings.)

highboy said...

chaos: the public option would still be run by the government, and it would be the equivalent of healthcare under the state welfare system.

Hawkeye® said...

Chaos Engineer,
Nice try, but the list of government successes you linked to certainly whitewashes a lot of the failures within those programs.

For example, it says how great Medicare is without saying it's broke. It says how great Medicaid is without saying it's broke. It talks about anti-poverty programs without talking about the failure of the "War on Poverty". It talks about the Food and Drug laws without saying that thousands of people get sick from food poisoning and contamination each year.

A more "fair and balanced" analysis would show that even the "good" government programs are inefficient and mismanaged. Why? Because there is no profit incentive. Bureaucrats can take as long as they want (and usually do) to get things done.