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Sunday, March 11, 2012

There is no such thing as "Gay" Marriage. The Great Myth!

There is no such thing as "gay" marriage.   It is a ludicrous concept!   It is like saying "black is white" or claiming to find the bottom of a bottomless pit or the end of an infinite line.    

The normal Christian does not hate homosexuals but they do hate homosexuality.  I do not hate homosexuals but I know that if they commit the sin it is wrong.  I do not hate drug addicts but I hate the drugs and the addiction.   People can get addicted to pornography, to meth, to cocaine, to homosexual sex, to liquor, to all sorts of things.   There is no shortage of sins available in this world.   Abortion, for instance, which is the brutal murder of a helpless infant still in the womb (actually they are often killed after being taken out and sometimes left to die of exposure, their cries unheeded until they finally pass away).    The United States is to blame for allowing people to legally kill their babies.   We who claim the name of Christ need to keep working to put an end to this terrible evil!

Now many states are trying to change the very definition of marriage, which is a frontal assault on a sacred tradition given to man from the beginning by the God of the Universe.   When a society becomes more and more wicked it is doomed to fail.  Man just never seems to learn from history. 

There is no such thing as "gay" marriage.   It is a ludicrous concept!   It is like saying "black is white" or claiming to find the bottom of a bottomless pit or the end of an infinite line.   

Marriage is between a man and a woman.   That is what it is.  Period.  The pathetic attempts made by some to call what is sin something good and even trying to use the Bible to support their cause?  Epic fail!  I cannot stop you from driving 80 in a 45 MPH zone or from stealing money from the cash register or keep you from having homosexual sex.   But don't try to impose your sin on our society!  Keep it to yourself...


A Biblical Case Against Gay 'Marriage'


A December issue of Newsweek featured a cover story entitled “Our Mutual Joy” that purported to offer a “religious case” for gay “marriage.” Author Lisa Miller claimed, “Opponents of gay marriage often cite Scripture. But what the Bible teaches about love argues for the other side.” Really?

It is interesting that apologists for the homosexual lifestyle typically say, on the one hand, that religious conservatives don’t really understand Scripture; if they did, they would see that there is no prohibition against homosexual love or marriage. On the other hand, they tell us the Bible is not to be trusted as a modern-day commentary when it speaks on moral issues—particularly sexuality. As Miller put it, “the Bible is a living document, powerful for more than 2000 years because its truths speak to us even as we change through history. In that light, Scriptures give us no good reason why gays and lesbians should not be married.”

Newsweek editor Jon Meacham was even more direct in his commentary on Miller’s article, saying that “to argue that something is so because it is in the Bible is more than intellectually bankrupt—it is unserious and unworthy of the great Judeo-Christian tradition.” 

In light of these statements, it is obvious that homosexuals do not want to be held to the biblical standards of faith and practice, yet have no trouble embracing some form of religiosity in order to feel sanctified in the eyes of God. As the apostle Paul put it in 2 Timothy 3:1-5:

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

In her attempt to justify what is scripturally unjustifiable, Miller, either consciously or unconsciously, has made a number of grievous errors:

MARRIAGE IS A HOLY ORDINANCE

First, marriage is not a triviality, but a holy ordinance ordained by God in the Garden of Eden. He declares to Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:24, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh,” which is His model for the union of male and female. Although some patriarchs strayed from this model following the Fall, it was not without consequences. David, for example, lost the son that was born as a result of his affair with Bathsheba.

Jesus is described by Miller as being “indifferent to earthly attachments,” but He reiterates God’s ordinance in Mathew 19:3-5 when questioned by the Pharisees on the matter of divorce:

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they twain [two] shall be one flesh?’ Wherefore, they are no more twain [two], but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder.

Miller further claims that the “fact” that Jesus was single indicates that the Bible has no model for a “how-to” script on marriage. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, Jesus was married—to His church (the community of believers), and His life is an allegory of traditional Hebrew marriage rituals.

In the Hebrew ritual, the father or his emissary would pick out the bride for his son. Next, a price was established for the bride to be paid by the groom. When the bride accepted the proposal, they were legally betrothed, but the marriage was not yet consummated. Gifts were exchanged between the bride and groom and the groom departed to prepare a place for his bride—often in his father’s house. The groom may have left for an extended period, but eventually he returned to claim his bride, take her to the place he prepared, and consummate the marriage.

Similarly, God the Father selects the bride (believers) for His Son (“All that the Father gives me shall come to me and I will in no wise cast out”John 6:37). Jesus pays for His bride by His sacrificial death on the cross. Believers who accept Christ are sanctified, but not yet in His presence.

Upon a believer’s commitment to trust in Christ, he or she is given the Holy Spirit, who provides each believer a gift of the Spirit. Jesus leaves His bride (the church) to go to His Father’s house, but prior to His departure, says, “In my Father’s house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3). In the end times, Jesus will return to the earth to gather His church and consummate his relationship with believers, who will then remain in His presence forever.

Accordingly, marriage is reflective of Christ’s relationship with His church and as such, is not a matter of “indifference” to Him, as Miller suggested, but rather has meaning beyond any other earthly institution—it is holy. In a Spirit-guided Christian marriage, the bride and groom mirror in many ways the relationship Christ has with His church. As noted in Ephesians 5:21-25:

Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything. 

For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her.

Therefore, whatever two persons of the same sex wish to call their mutual relationship—partnering, co-habiting, or sharing a household—one thing is certain: It is not a marriage in the biblical sense nor in common sense.

COMPARING SLAVERY TO THE ISSUE OF GAY RIGHTS

Another fallacy of the gay rights movement is comparing America’s experience with slavery with the battle for gay rights. Miller accuses opponents of same-sex “marriage” of using Scripture “as the foundation for their objections,” in similar fashion as 19th-century supporters of slavery. Jon Meacham states this case most succinctly: “The analogy with race is apt, for Christians in particular long cited scriptural authority to justify and perpetuate slavery with the same certitude that some now use to point to certain passages in the Bible to condemn homosexuality and to deny the sacrament of marriage to homosexuals. This argument from scripture is difficult to take seriously.”

The difference is that Scripture does not support slavery and recognizes it as evil, although it was a reality of the times. Persons who looked to the Bible for support on this issue were guilty of the same proof texting as Miller and Meacham. Paul states the biblical view quite clearly in 1 Timothy 1:8-10:

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Those who identify homosexuality as an issue of civil rights and equate it with racial discrimination are both insulting and irrational. Issues of race, ethnicity, national origin, or gender are all real and provable human characteristics. Homosexuality is a behavior that is learned and changeable, unlike the other characteristics, which are innate and immutable. There is not a person on earth that can prove he or she is a homosexual—it is a declaration that can change as evidenced by innumerable persons who have abandoned the lifestyle.

The most common factors in those who have entered the homosexual lifestyle are childhood sexual abuse, a poor relationship with the same-sex parent, or seduction. These classic causes were noted in the story of Lisa Miller (not the author) who left her lesbian relationship with Janet Jenkins convinced that the relationship was sinful. She later repented and reaffirmed her Christian faith. It was also revealed that “her mother sexually and physically abused her as a child and later, forbade her to date, telling her ‘men were evil.’” It is easy to see how she could fall into the homosexual lifestyle.

Miller is not alone in this circumstance. Many gay celebrities have admitted they were victims of childhood sexual abuse including Rosie O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, Anne Heche, Julie Cypher, Melissa Etheridge, swimming star Greg Louganis, and Chastity Bono, who disclosed how she was seduced as a child into the “gay” lifestyle by one of Cher Bono’s lesbian friends. Additionally, many of the young boys seduced by priests were drawn into the homosexual lifestyle by the experience.

Gay-rights activists and their apologists have waged an effective brass knuckles campaign to portray homosexuality as inborn and unchangeable and therefore deserving of acceptance, affirmation, and codification into law. Nevertheless, declaring something to be true doesn’t make it so, nor does it make it right.

SCRIPTURE AND HOMOSEXUALITY

Contrary to the opinion of Newsweek's Miller, Scripture is clear and distinct about the subject of homosexuality no matter how hard gay activists would like to wish it away. Beyond the Old Testament condemnation of homosexual practice as an abomination (which Miller refers to as “throwaway” lines), Paul writes in Romans 1:25-27:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.                                                 
                   
In view of the above, it is interesting to note that Miller claims, “Nowhere in the Bible do its authors refer to sex between women.” Evidently, neither Miller nor her source, the Anchor Bible Dictionary, has ever read Romans.

Miller uses certain peculiar passages in Leviticus, which have no modern application, to suggest that statements condemning homosexuality need not be heeded: “[Leviticus is] a text that devotes verse after verse to treatments for leprosy, cleanliness rituals for menstruating women and the correct way to sacrifice a goat—or a lamb or a turtle dove. . . . Most of us no longer heed Leviticus on haircuts or blood sacrifices. . . . Why would we regard homosexuality with more seriousness than we regard its advice . . . on the best price to pay for a slave?”

It is important to understand that there are three types of laws in the Old Testament: moral laws, ceremonial laws, and codified civil laws. Under the New Covenant, the ceremonial laws were abolished, since Jesus Christ Himself negated the need for the sacrificial system (see Hebrews 9:1-15). The moral laws remain timeless and permanent.

God imposed the codified civil laws on the Israelite nation during its formative years in order that the people not be corrupted by the practices of the pagans.

The punishment these laws invoked were not intended to be permanent, as can be clearly seen in Jesus' encounter with the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1-11). Although the Pharisees wanted to stone her to death in accordance with the Mosaic Law, Jesus challenged her accusers to show that they themselves were without sin. Jesus then forgave the woman and sent her on her way with the admonition, “Go and sin no more.” Clearly, her adultery was sinful but not a justification to stone her to death.

As Christians, we are called to follow Jesus' example and be witnesses—not executioners—for the redemption of sinners through entering into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Allan Dobras is a freelance writer on religious and cultural issues and an electronics engineer. He lives in Springfield, Virginia.

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There is no Biblical support for homosexuality or any form of "gay" marriage!

I know people who have conquered their addiction to sinful homosexuality.    One couple I know both used to be homosexual addicts, met while in counseling, married each other and had children together.   They became involved in business and entered politics.    I know many people who have conquered homosexual lusts and many who have beaten alcoholism and drug addiction and other addictive sins.   

There is no such thing as "gay" marriage.   This is simply an attack on morality by evildoers who know that, if homosexuality is normalized then pedophilia will be next (and a large percentage of pedophiles are seeking to have homosexual relations with children) and organizations like NAMBLA and LBGT know it.  They seek to make every kind of sexual activity legal.   We dare not even begin to go down that road.   What people will do behind closed doors may condemn them but if our society endorses sin then it will be like letting the camel's nose into the tent of what society considers moral.   Homosexuality today, pedophilia tomorrow, necrophilia after that?  There is no end to depravity once we allow it to run free.   Is that the kind of world you want your children and grandchildren to be born into?   

You do not believe me?  Right now activists are teaching grade school children all about homosexual sex in some school districts in the United States.   Right now children are being taught all about how to perform sex acts and the usage of condoms.   In grade schools in the United States!  You think not?  Go ahead and do a Google search for "grade school kids taught homosexual sex."  Unfortunately I am telling you the truth!   If so-called "gay" marriage and the sexualization of school children is not stopped now, then our society will self-destruct and it will be your children and grandchildren that suffer for your indifference or agreement concerning these perversions.  

25 comments:

DogMaBlog said...

How can there be a marriage of two people of the same sex? In a marriage you have a husband and a wife. A married man is a husband. A married woman is a wife. References to "husband" and "wife" have been the definition of what marriage is for all human history.

It is unbelievable that courts and legislative pronouncements have decided that definitions of basic human relationships that have been recognized by every society, can be over ruled; because someone feels bad, about being excluded, because their feelings are hurt, because they don't feel that their feelings about somebody who happens to be of their same sex are acknowledged in society like the feelings of opposite sex couples.

WhAAAAaaaa, cry me a river.

So why do these activists include GLBT? G stands for homosexual males, I believe. L stands for lesbians or homosexual females. If same sex marriage is all they want, why include B that stands for bisexual and T that stands for transsexual?

What would a bisexual marriage have to include? Two men and two women? If homosexual marriage is acknowledged wouldn't we have to accept bisexual marriage?

If all that has to be called a marriage is a loving relationship between two adults, why not a brother and a sister? Two sisters or two brothers? Parent and grown child?

Please, people who think that same sex marriage is good for society explain how they would not prohibit other kinds of relationships that they would find perverse.

radar said...

I suspect the point is that each new perversion that is forced upon society is followed by another. Those who wish to see the most perverted behavior accepted will keep pushing.

This is why we must work to not just stop, but in fact reverse the flow of information and answer the actual fundamental question - Why should we have a moral society? Because God loves His creatures and wants them to enjoy life on Earth and therefore has set down instructions to help us know how to behave and treat each other.

Chaos Engineer said...

This is simply an attack on morality by evildoers who know that, if homosexuality is normalized then pedophilia will be next (and a large percentage of pedophiles are seeking to have homosexual relations with children) and organizations like NAMBLA and LBGT know it. They seek to make every kind of sexual activity legal.

There you go again...

One of the reasons that support for gay marriage keeps growing is that the opponents aren't able to come up with any reasonable arguments against it.

I mean, most people nowadays have a least one openly gay family member or or co-worker or acquaintance, and they can see with their own eyes that they aren't child molesters, and that they don't want to destroy society, and that on average they don't seem to be any more sinful than heterosexuals.

Making up wild stories to the contrary doesn't convince people to oppose gay marriage. It just makes you look dishonest and foolish.


Also, did you spot this bit in the article you quoted?

Miller further claims that the “fact” that Jesus was single indicates that the Bible has no model for a “how-to” script on marriage. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, Jesus was married—to His church (the community of believers), and His life is an allegory of traditional Hebrew marriage rituals.

In the Hebrew ritual, the father or his emissary would pick out the bride for his son. Next, a price was established for the bride to be paid by the groom.


Yikes, that sounds like Sharia Law to me! No thanks! I'm glad that the courts in the US define marriage as a relationship between two people who want to get married.

People like Allan Dobras should start using the word "Religious Union" to describe their relationships instead of pretending that it's a "marriage" as we understand the word today.

Anonymous whatsit said...

I take it, Radar, that your circle of acquaintances doesn't include any happily married gay couples? It might open your eyes a little.

Anonymous whatsit said...

"It is unbelievable that courts and legislative pronouncements have decided that definitions of basic human relationships that have been recognized by every society, can be over ruled; because someone feels bad, about being excluded, because their feelings are hurt, because they don't feel that their feelings about somebody who happens to be of their same sex are acknowledged in society like the feelings of opposite sex couples.

WhAAAAaaaa, cry me a river."

It's people like you that give Christians a bad name.

Anonymous said...

Weird reality you live in there Deb and Kimbal. So much hate for people that do not affect your lives in any way. Yet, you say you are "happy". Yeah, right.

And, no matter what you say or post, gay marriage is alive and well in North America. All you have to do is pull your heads out of you-know-where, and look north of the border. So it definitely exists (since 2005, in fact). And guess what, none of your bizarre and disgusting pedophilia/necrophilia fantasies have come true. Shocking I know.

Do you realize how terrible you make yourselves look by posting such hateful and bigoted religious nonsense? I mean, Deb, your actual response to real demonstrable inequality is to say, and I quote "WhAAAAaaaa, cry me a river."? Um, grow up. And I'm guessing that Radar thinks and talks about "NAMBLA" more that real pedophiles. That said, you two idiots definitely deserve each other.

One of your close friends or relatives may very well be gay and yet you don't care that posting this garbage is so hurtful to those people. I mean, what if one of your grand-kids ends up being gay and contemplates, or actually commits, suicide because of your ignorant position? Would you care then? You say you hate the gay not the person. But people are born gay. So where does that leave your hate?

In the end, I agree that this kind of post likely achieves the opposite of it's intended purpose. I just hate the fact that innocent individuals may be affected in a negative way by two dummies that are either willfully and destructively hurtful or are just too stupid to know any better.

-Canucklehead.

Anonymous said...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/years+marriage+Canada+hasn+crumbled/5091972/story.html

-Canucklehead.

radar said...

The problem is that "marriage" is a union of a man and a woman. It has been a sacrament of the Christian faith and the Jewish faith and virtually every faith in the entire world for all of our history. There is nothing mean or hateful about pointing this out and pointing out that the Bible and Jesus Himself taught against homosexual acts, period.

You can put a label on a cow that says "Moose" but it will never be a moose. Same thing with "gay" marriage. There is no such thing.

Why is there an attempt to legislate such a thing? Homosexual civil unions have all the rights of married couples in the USA. There is no need to co-opt the term "marriage" other than an attempt to force the teaching of homosexuality in our grade schools and high schools. Thus the high incidence of pedophilia associated with homosexuality gets yet another boost? SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no excuse for bringing sexuality into childhood, whether it be normal or perverse. Parents are supposed to be the ones to teach their children about such things, not public schools. Then you wonder why private schools and charter schools and home-schooling have become more popular in the US these days? Parents do not want to send their little children to a place where they will be taught how to be a homosexual.

Yes, homosexuals seek to molest children far more than heterosexuals do and both are wrong. You politically correct commenters would be singing a different tune if your seven year old was molested by an adult of either sex...at least I hope to God that would bother you!

"Gay" marriage and "gay" Christianity (my post is primarily pointing out that Jesus Christ and the Bible both teach against homosexuality) are simply wedge issues to promote other sexual perversions, primarily pedophilia.

Yes, I know two "gay" couples, both of whom have some kind of civil union and neither of whom seem to have been concerned with having "marriage" pinned to their chests. I don't harp on the fact that I think they are living in sin, I never bring it up. I am cordial to them and vice-versa. It is not up to me to try to change them, that is between them and God. They did not need the "marriage" tag to move in together and buy a house together. There is no need for "gay" marriage even if it was possible and it is not.

radar said...

No, people are not born "gay", that is a lie. Studies show that homosexuality is a choice and often because of childhood molestation or a very bad single parent homelife. There is no homosexual gene.

Sex is a physical drive. People choose how to deal with the lusts of the flesh. Maybe you would like to steal your neighbor's car, but there is a law against that and you do not want to go to prison. Perhaps you are mad at someone and want to kill them but decide to hold back because you might pay a penalty of imprisonment or death if you did it. In the USA, homosexuality has been decriminalized but that doesn't make it right. It is a choice.

Again, this is why NAMBLA especially has been fighting so hard to normalize homosexuality, so they can eventually make sex with children legal. Given enough time, they will begin to push for marriage with children. Yes, NAMBLA is not all that concerned with what adults do, it is all about bringing about legalized sex with children.

Anonymous said...

To paraphrase Radar:

No, people are not born "schizophrenic", that is a lie. Studies show that schizophrenia is a choice and often because of childhood molestation or a very bad single parent homelife. There is no schizophrenic gene.

Do you even think about what you say before you say it?

Anonymous whatsit said...

"No, people are not born "gay", that is a lie. Studies show that homosexuality is a choice and often because of childhood molestation or a very bad single parent homelife."

First, a significant genetic influence is certainly a part of what makes a person a homosexual. To dismiss this entirely would in itself be a lie.

Second, could you please explain how childhood molestation and/or a very bad single parent home life are a matter of choice?

Third, once all the factors that make a person a homosexual are in place (not as a result of the choices made by that person, incidentally), what exactly is the choice that that person has? He or she would have about as much of a choice to be heterosexual as you would of being homosexual.

And yet here you are, doing your best to torment them with your vile accusations of pedophilia and so on. And then you point to the "evidence" that they have higher suicide rates. I don't know which is worse, your brazen malice or your stunning hypocrisy.

"Yes, I know two "gay" couples, both of whom have some kind of civil union and neither of whom seem to have been concerned with having "marriage" pinned to their chests."

And do they seem happy with each other, like any other couple? Do you think they secretly plot to rape children or farmyard animals?

Are they aware of the claims you make on your blog?

There's a silver lining, though: the more so-called "Christians" like you spout this kind of hateful and intolerant nonsense, the more you will make sure that secularism remains the fastest-growing religious stance in the US.

radar said...

Point one - the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. You think you are smarter than God? Go ahead and think that if you like.

Point two - so you are now comparing a diagnosis of mental illness with homosexuality? Does that mean you classify it as a mental illness? If we did classify homosexuality as a mental illness then they would likely go in for treatment, so your idea might be worth consideration, thanks!

Actually, there are some people who are born or made by early childhood as sociopaths. They almost inevitably wind up killing people and their sexual perversions know no bounds. Very often they are pedophiles (Gacy) and/or homosexuals (Dahmer) and often killing people or dead bodies is part of their sexual proclivities. You okay with saying that since that is what they want to do sexually it is okay?

The line is drawn by God. Sex with one person, of the opposite sex, to whom you are married. Everything else is a sin. Like many unsaved single guys I did not respect this and was seeking sex with girls/women of my peer group. Even at that I drew the line at an affair with a married woman. Once I became a Christian I realized only sex with my wife was right so I limit myself. Sex is a choice.

radar said...

You anonymous trolls with your language of "hateful" and "vile?" You do realize you are calling God these terms, right, since I am showing you what God says about homosexuality? So many grasshoppers standing on the train track shaking their fists at the train. The day will come when the train is thundering down upon you and you will be run over.

What is VILE is the plan to sexualized children and teach them to be homosexuals, which is what is happening in many grade schools now and has been happening in some places for several years. What is hateful is the troll who calls evil "good" and good "evil." You trolls are the haters.

As to the two couples I know who are homosexuals? Actually they both fight a lot. In fact I have not heard from one of them for awhile and I suspect they are no longer a couple. The one that is for sure still together, it seems that one has to be a doormat in order to live with the other one so he is not really happy. But, hey, real married couples have troubles and get divorced. I did not say these homosexuals were not a couple, I said they had a civil union and that is the way it should stay.

Keep your hands off of marriage and children, you trolls!!! You agree with NAMBLA then you are as creepy and evil as they are.

Chaos Engineer said...

Yes, I know two "gay" couples, both of whom have some kind of civil union and neither of whom seem to have been concerned with having "marriage" pinned to their chests. I don't harp on the fact that I think they are living in sin, I never bring it up.

Um, you're bringing it up right now!

Or do you just mean that you're too cowardly to bring it up to their faces, and you'd prefer to spread malicious gossip about them behind their backs?

That's kind of a bad habit and you really shouldn't do it. Especially the business about, "it seems that one has to be a doormat in order to live with the other one so he is not really happy." I think there are probably two sides to that story, and the other guy deserves a chance to tell his. Maybe you could show him your article and give him a chance to post here and defend himself? For that matter, are we sure that the first guy is "not really happy"? Maybe he was just having a bad day and said that to blow off steam.

Can you also ask them if they support pedophilia? If they don't, then I'm not sure I understand what the problem is.

That said, I guess gossip-mongering and slander are pretty trivial in comparison to other sins. There's even a Bible verse to that effect: "God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector." (That's Luke 18:11. I learned it in Sunday School but that was a long time ago and I had to look it up.)

Anonymous said...

"so you are now comparing a diagnosis of mental illness with homosexuality?"

No, I was showing the failings of your logic. You know, right after I posted that, I had a feeling that my point would fly right over your head, and it appears to have done just that. The fact is, we don't know if homosexuality has a genetic counterpart, but it's very likely that it does.

"They (sociopaths) almost inevitably wind up killing people"

Actually, the vast majority don't, but don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs (unless you believe that 2% of the population are psychopathic murderers).

The rest of your comment is just conflating sex and relationships. You do understand that there's more to marriage than sex and procreation, right?

You have some really ugly beliefs there. I'm surprised you air them in public.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

"You think you are smarter than God? Go ahead and think that if you like."

and

"You anonymous trolls with your language of "hateful" and "vile?" You do realize you are calling God these terms, right, since I am showing you what God says about homosexuality?"

Newsflash: atheists don't believe in God.

We don't think we're smarter than God, we don't call God names. We just think God doesn't exist. God doesn't "say" anything. Humans, a long time ago, wrote a bunch of stuff down that they believed and claimed that it was the word of some supernatural being.

If you think that's not true, let me point out to you that you already believe this yourself - about all the other religions out there. You don't think the Roman or Greek pantheons, for example, actually existed, do you? They were made up, right? And yet people believed in them and wrote stuff about them and accepted it. So it shouldn't be that hard for you to identify with this belief.

"Point two - so you are now comparing a diagnosis of mental illness with homosexuality? Does that mean you classify it as a mental illness?"

The simple analogy that Canucklehead was making was the element of choice. Schizophrenics don't choose to be schizophrenics. By the same token, heterosexuals don't choose to be heterosexuals. Going by your logic, I just compared heterosexuality to a mental illness - make of it what you will. Have fun with it.

"You okay with saying that since that is what they want to do sexually it is okay?"

If it's between consenting adults, absotively posilutely. Clearly that's not the case in the distorted example you bring up here.

You know, you and your "charming" wife aren't exactly coming off as particularly admirable in this whole exchange. Your wife displays a complete lack of empathy for fellow human beings in her outburst upthread, and you just seem determined to drag pedophilia and serial killers into any discussion of a homosexual lifestyle. Has it ever occurred to you that your vile bigotry may actually have an effect on other people?

And then you have the gall to point at high suicide rates among homosexuals?

You're a part of the problem, Kimbal.

And I doubt you're winning converts to Christianity with this kind of behavior.

As an atheist, that pleases me... so keep it up.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

Incidentally, the part that pleases me is that you'll win converts for tolerance and secularism with your vile claims.

I still find it abhorrent that you continue to make such hurtful statements about your fellow man.

I don't believe in God myself, but I used to respect Christians and their values, back when they stood for tolerance, brotherly love and things like that. These days, I find it difficult to draw a line between you and an Islamic fundamentalist. They also believe in creationism, a young Earth, disdain for non-believers etc.

radar said...

Hot lips, the only hateful language is you commenters towards me. Nowhere in my post do I call a homosexual vile. I do call organizations like NAMBLA evil. I do call people who teach little children to have sex vile.

Christ didn't die so people would be "tolerant" towards sin. He died so that we could be forgiven of sin. Darwinists who deny God (like I used to be) will face God after death and every hateful statement you have made about Christians is also about Christ, all the lies you have told, all of your sins, you will pay for them all. That is on you. Jesus Christ paid the price for you if you will accept the gift.

Christ wants to save everyone who is willing to admit that they cannot save themselves and acknowledge Him. God was willing to pay the price for sin so you could be free. You can come to Christ believing in Darwinism or being a homosexual. He changes people from the inside out.

Muslims do no worship God. Their "Allah" is a capricious force that can decide to be merciful or not. Muhammed's message is one of revenge and mastery over children and women and non-muslims. The Islamic paradise is a carnal non-stop weekend in Vegas. Allah is not God and is nothing like God.
Radical Islam teaches the only sure way to paradise is to kill innocent people along with yourself? You buy that?

God offers forgiveness freely and only those who refuse to acknowledge Him and what He has done go to Hell and you send yourself there because He has given you the way out.

You tell yourself you know that *poof* didn't make everything and you refuse to admit it because so many others will agree with you. Birds of a feather.

You who are so foolish as to deny God and believe in the idea that nothing created everything, what moral standard do you even have to call something vile or evil? You deny God so you do not get to borrow His Law, like Woolf tries to do. Sorry, you do not believe the Lawgiver so then you cannot claim the Law. So you decide what is right or wrong yourself, making yourself superior to the God of the Universe.

Come back when you have some kind of eternal law to stand on and you can logically defend your name-calling. Otherwise remember that God says that "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." No wonder a few miles down the road of thought you think *poof* made everything! Like I said, PT Barnum...

Anonymous said...

Wow, is "DogMaBlog" really Radar's wife? Wow.

Mrs. Radar, your husband recently claimed he knows some gay couples, though he's now saying somewhat inconsiderate things about them.

Speaking of inconsiderate, are you the kind of person who would go up to a gay person who would like to marry the person they are deeply in love with and faithful to...

... and say "WhAAAAaaa, cry me a river"?

Or do you just do that behind their backs, like your husband?

What a charming couple you two must be.

Anonymous said...

"Nowhere in my post do I call a homosexual vile. I do call organizations like NAMBLA evil. "

The constant and unwarranted linking of homosexuals to pedophiles (as you're doing right here) is what's vile.

Don't you get that?

"Their "Allah" is a capricious force that can decide to be merciful or not. Muhammed's message is one of revenge and mastery over children and women and non-muslims."

So far that pretty much fits the God you describe on your blog.

"You tell yourself you know that *poof* didn't make everything and you refuse to admit it because so many others will agree with you."

Say what? I refuse to admit that I don't know that *poof* didn't make everything... huh?

You do realize that it's your Bible that says that *poof* made everything... not science... right?

"You who are so foolish as to deny God and believe in the idea that nothing created everything, what moral standard do you even have to call something vile or evil? You deny God so you do not get to borrow His Law, like Woolf tries to do. Sorry, you do not believe the Lawgiver so then you cannot claim the Law"

Again, you don't understand what you're arguing against. "His Law", as you call it, is merely our law, mankind's law. It just happens to have been codified in different cultures under the names of different gods etc. If you have any evidence to the contrary (hint: "the Bible says so" doesn't cut it, for obvious logical reasons), well let's have it.

radar said...

By the way, my wife is not mean to homosexuals either. She simply knows the linkage to pedophilia and suicide. She worked with Project Reality for quite some time. That was an organization promoting life and good life choices. She has spent much of her life helping others and she spends many, many hours every week making art and crafts to give to others when she could sell them for a nice profit on Amazon.

So if you charge either of us with being mean to any particular person you are just lying. Typically trying to avoid the evidence and depending on ad hominem attacks! People who know us would shake their heads and ask me why I let trolls in?

Homosexuals = more pedophiles, more suicides, more STDs, more partner abuse, more child abuse, more permanent physical damage...so if you are going to support it, then it seems to me that YOU are the one who hates homosexuals because you do not give a rip about them. It would be so easy for me to say nothing and let more generations of children be introduced to Hell on Earth but too bad. I will tell the truth, you go ahead and keep pretending...

Anonymous whatsit said...

"By the way, my wife is not mean to homosexuals either."

Did you miss the first comment up above? There's clear evidence right there, where anyone can read it.

"So if you charge either of us with being mean to any particular person you are just lying."

How so? Your wife is clearly mean to them, and you can't go for more than a few paragraphs without trying to link homosexuals to pedophiles, even though there is no evidence to support this. It's vile, Radar, pure and simple. You can't talk your way out of it.

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Anonymous said...

I don't understand why people are so bigoted... why do u attack a group of people simply for loving who they love? Oh, nd as for your precious bible... I'm atheist but even I know that somewhere in all that nonsense it says u should not judge other people... so why don't you leave homosexuals alone and YOU try stay out of you hell? Oh, and using the slippery slope argument doesn't really help. Did you know that before gays it was women and before women it was slaves, all because of the bible... so please, if its so easy to change your sexuality, why dont u do it, just to show them how easy it is to change who you are