"If the capricious gods of Greek mythology were in charge, we wouldn’t expect unchanging natural laws. And if the universe were one big Thought, as Eastern religions teach, then it could change its mind at any moment! " - Jonathan Sarfati
I find it wearying and boring to type out naturalistic materialistic atheistic humanistic descriptors when "Darwinist" works just fine and I have said this often in the past. It boils down to a worldview which states that all things can be explained by natural causes. This is a worldview or religion. It is then applied to science. When the worldview is applied to science, science is limited by that worldview to answers that fit within that worldview. Fine.
As it happens, population genetics has shown us that mankind has grown from a starting point of about 4,000-4,500 years ago. This agrees with the Biblical account of a Flood ending at about that time. Here is a timeline for the history of mankind from the Biblical account and the Bible is the most authoritative and best preserved history mankind has. Here is a timeline from Answers in Genesis:
The chart above goes to zero at about 4,000-4,500 years ago. Think one couple kept having one couple for 195,500 years? Really? It is a typical sigmoidal population graph and again, science underlines the truth of the Bible!
by David Wright, AiG–U.S.
March 9, 2012
I can find info on the flood but I am looking for good estimation fixing the date of the flood.
So when exactly was the Flood?
For an accurate chronology on the Bible, including the time of the Flood, I highly recommend The Annals of the World by James Ussher, Adam’s Chart of History, Newton’s Revised History of Ancient Kingdoms, and Chronology of the Old Testament by Floyd Nolen Jones.
There are two possible ways of calculating the date. The first is from creation, and the other is from the present. I will focus on the date from creation since the latter would be much more involved. So here we go.
|Event/Person||Passage||Total Time from Creation (years)|
|God created everything.||Genesis 1–2||0|
|Adam became the father of Seth at 130.||Genesis 5:3||0 + 130 = 130|
|Seth became the father of Enosh at 105.||Genesis 5:6||130 + 105 = 235|
|Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90.||Genesis 5:9||235 + 90 = 325|
|Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70.||Genesis 5:12||325 + 70 = 395|
|Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65.||Genesis 5:15||395 + 65 = 460|
|Jared became the father of Enoch at 162.||Genesis 5:18||460 + 162 = 622|
|Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65.||Genesis 5:21||622 + 65 = 687|
|Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187.||Genesis 5:25||687 + 187 = 874|
|Lamech became the father of Noah at 182.||Genesis 5:28||809 + 182 = 1056|
|The Flood started when Noah was 600.||Genesis 7:6||991 + 600 = 1656|
As you can see from Table 1, the year in which the Flood came was 1656 AM1 (Anno Mundi – “year of the world”). From the rest of the Old Testament and other well-documented historical events we understand that creation, as calculated by Ussher, was about 4004 BC. So with a little more math we can calculate the second date.
|Calculated BC date for creation:||4004|
|Calculated AM date for the Flood:||- 1656|
|Calculated BC date for the Flood:||2348|
|Current Year (minus one2):||+ 2011|
|Number of years since beginning of Flood:||4359|
Using the Bible, well-documented historical events, and some math, we find that the Flood began approximately 4,359 years ago in the year 1656 AM or 2348 BC. Some may look for an exact date (i.e., month and day), but we are not given that sort of precision in Scripture.
- Since the Bible does not provide the number of months in the age of each patriarch listed from Adam to Noah, then we could add about five more years to this number. For example, Adam may have been 130 years and 10 months old when Seth was born, and Seth may have been 105 years and four months. On average, there would likely be an additional six months for each generation. The same would be true for the genealogy in Genesis 10.
- We need to subtract one year from this calculation since there was not a “year zero.” The calendar we use jumps from 1 BC to AD 1
1 So it is worth summarizing some of the many beneficial effects of Christianity over the ages.2
Slavery and other humanitarian causes
Christianity has been at the forefront of other humanitarian causes, such as literacy, hospitals, orphanages and abolition of child labour. The biblical teaching that all humans come from ‘one man/blood’ (Acts 17:26) is the best antidote to racism, and science is catching up (see p. 18). It’s notable that Wilberforce was also an advocate of animal welfare. (Beware the confusion of animal welfare with animal rights. The former seeks to treat animals humanely, while the latter purports to give animals, e.g. the great apes, the same rights as humans—see Focus p. 8.)
Even today, conservative Christians still give far more support to charities than do other people, as noted by a recent book, Who Really Cares, by Prof. Arthur Brooks. The data were a total surprise to Brooks, who had a socially liberal background. It showed that:
‘Religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly nonreligious charities. Religious people give more blood; religious people give more to homeless people on the street.’
Christianity and the rise of modern science
If the capricious gods of Greek mythology were in charge, we wouldn’t expect unchanging natural laws. And if the universe were one big Thought, as Eastern religions teach, then it could change its mind at any moment!
So every issue of Creation magazine has an interview with a Bible-believing scientist. This issue features a leading Australian astronomer (pp. 46–48). We also seek to show how God’s handiwork can be seen in His intricate designs, such as the Venus flytrap (pp. 36–37) and amazing instincts in the animal world (pp. 28–30). But design is not enough; it is only one part of biblical history. Only a proper understanding of history makes sense of geology, e.g. gold deposits (pp. 16–17).
Baneful effects of abandoning Christianity
It has also been noted that when people cease believing in the true God, they don’t believe in nothing, but believe in anything. So it is not surprising that absurd God-substitutes abound, such as aliens. Since this year is the 60th anniversary of New Mexico’s Roswell event, this issue has a sober analysis of what really happened there (pp. 19–21).
Finally, while Christianity is good for this world, it is even better for the next. This is why every issue explains the Good News (p. 48).4
References and notes
- See for example, Bell, P., Atheist with a mission, A review of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, 7 February 2007. Return to Text.
- See also Koukl, G., Christianity’s real record, www.townhall.com/columnists/GregKoukl/2006/11/21/christianitys_real_record, 21 November 2006. Return to Text.
- Stark, R., For the Glory of God: How monotheism led to reformations, science, witch-hunts and the end of slavery, Princeton University Press, 2003; see also review by Williams A., The biblical origins of science, Journal of Creation 18(2):49–52, 2004. Return to Text.
- Of course, Christianity is good because it is true. For example, there are at least 17 factors that meant Christianity could not have succeeded in the ancient world, unless it were backed up with irrefutable proof of the Resurrection, as shown by Holding, J.P., The Impossible Faith, Xulon Press, Florida, USA, 2007.
Watching secular television programs and reading secular documents? It requires a filter (you have to cast aside the constant references to millions of years and animals "developing" traits. As if a fish can go to a fast-evolve restaurant and order a set of arms with a side of lungs!) but Christians can watch NatGeo and Animal Planet and read PNAS and such things and get the science while throwing the indoctrination aside. Christians who have a scientific side should do it as responsible adults, we should keep on top of science and politics and not just limit ourselves to our own insular world. Geeks of the Christian persuasion ought to keep up with the current level of Darwinian nonsense as well as the real discoveries that are being made.
Just this afternoon, my wife and I watched a NatGeo documentary called "Eating With Cannibals" and the impact of Christianity on Papua New Guinea was obvious. We know and support a missionary couple that live there and have been involved in Bible translation and helping the population improve the quality of their lives. Our friends have told us so many stories of the remarkable changes they have made in order to live in Papua New Guinea and how the people have benefited from Christianity in so many ways. They've been here to visit us personally whenever they come to the States so they can share stories with us, because most missionaries need to come back for a period of time to encourage the churches and people who support them and share their stories with the folks back in the States. My wife and I love it when this couple comes to see us! We would love and support them and pray for them anyway but we are so glad and honored when they come.
We have heard the amazing testimony of people like Marilyn Laszlo, a missionary who has devoted her life to Bible translation, medical care and a better life for the people of Papua New Guinea. She now has a missionary organization that she heads but before she became a speaker and leader of an organization she spent 24 years in the jungle with the people helping them develop a written language and learning basics of medical care. Missionaries we know give up their comforts to live in places where there is no electricity or running water unless they help the people learn to collect water and build water basins and dig wells. One couple we know has a kerosene-powered refrigerator as their one luxury, otherwise living in heat and humidity and living much like their neighbors. The refrigerator is important for some medical supplies, otherwise they likely would not have it.
The people of Papua New Guinea did not have a written language when the Wycliffe missionaries began to arrive and interact with the people. Missionaries found a culture of treachery and revenge and superstition, with living people being buried alive when only being ill and quite curable. There was widespread murder and occasional cannibalism. Witch doctors ruled the villages. Life spans were short and often violent. Illnesses often meant death, even very simple and quite treatable sicknesses took lives before the missionaries came. They came with medical training and they came with understanding. Wycliffe missionaries did not try to make people wear specific clothing or abandon their culture other than the deadly and sinful parts. Today in Papua New Guinea most Christians wear Western-style clothing much of the time but that is by their choice. Now they have a written language and the Bible available to them. Now they can read and write books and in journals and keep written records. Now a fever means medical care and not being buried alive to die alone in terror.
There is a powerful book, Peace Child, which tells the story of the old culture of the Sawi tribe of Papua New Guinea and how Christians Don and Carol Richardson came to save these people from traditional evils. Once treachery and revenge were considered the highest good and celebrated. Now love is preferred over hatred and murder is considered wrong rather than to be celebrated. Christianity is certainly good for Papua New Guinea!
As we watched the NatGeo documentary we found it funny as the adventurer (Piers Gibbon) discovered airfields available in the supposedly largely unexplored area. He found English-speaking translators and people wearing t-shirts and Western clothing even in the most remote areas. Gibbon was surprised to find English speakers in the deepest jungle areas. He was searching for cannibals but discovered that the spread of Christianity had ended the practice. In fact, Gibbon stated that 90% of the population had converted to Christianity and the old ways of revenge and superstitious killings had been ended. He seemed astonished but that is what happens when Christianity comes to a culture. Life gets better for people and they have longer lives, live in peace and begin to experience prosperity compared to the lives of their parents and grandparents. Witch doctors are almost all gone, most of them having turned to Christ and abandoned their old ways.
AMAZON picture...you have to go to the site to actually open the book.
If we know Jesus Christ, we know Truth but we are also responsible to know truths while living in this material world's time/space continuum. The Truth is that Christians were the inventors of modern science and that Christianity was behind the end of the ruler/serf lifestyle of Europe before the Reformation. Christianity was the driving force behind ordinary folks becoming literate. Christians led the way to ending slavery in England and in the United States. Christians led the fight to end Jim Crow laws and to bring about true civil rights in the South in the 1950's and 60's. Christians have come to places like Papua New Guinea and Suriname and spent their lives dedicated to improving the lives of their neighbors, not simply spreading faith in Christ but also bringing health care and helping the people learn to have a written language and a Bible in their own language.
What have Darwinists done? In a later post I will tell you...but I can tell you that it isn't good. Those who believe in Darwinism have done terrible crimes in the name of "science."
Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"
(John 18:13) Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no fault in Him at all."
You who do not believe, understand this: The greatest thing you can ever do in this life is to choose Christ despite all the propaganda and lures of the flesh and the constant advertisements promoting leisure and luxury and selfishness. Nothing means more to God than the moment that a sinner realizes that Jesus Christ is indeed the Savior and repents of his sins and humbly comes to Christ seeking salvation. Just like the prodigal son's return, God does not simply allow us into His Kingdom, He rejoices to see us coming and runs to wrap His arms around us with joy!
- Jesus Christ