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Friday, June 01, 2012

Grab the popcorn! Modern creatures in fossil rock layers.

My own experience includes finding modern shellfish in the same layers as trilobites.   Later on I realized that lots of fossils that "didn't belong" in the rock layers with dinosaurs are found but are not published.   So there are lots of fossils that are not publicized that would tend to support the Flood rather than long ages.   First, a testimony to the idea that modern animals are found in the sedimentary rocks but Darwnists hide this from the common man.



Did you know that flamingos, sandpipers, penguins, cormorants, parrots, owls and many other creatures living today, including numerous types of mammals, reptiles, amphibians and arthropods are found in supposedly 65-plus-million-year-old rock layers, when dinosaurs and other “pre-historic” beasts once roamed the earth? So, why don’t we ever see them displayed in our museums or depicted together in books and textbooks?



Even though many fossils of these kinds of extent (or living) fauna have been found in allegedly “ancient” rock layers, this information is purposely censored from public view because it doesn’t fit the evolutionist’s millions-of-years timeline. The idea that animals we see today on a visit to the zoo occupied a spot in time with dinosaurs and earlier is considered “preposterous” by the chief evolutionary biologists and paleontologists at our universities and schools of higher education—even in the face of clear proof. Reasoning that if the Bible is true we should find modern creatures in the fossil record, a Christian medical doctor who specializes in emergency medicine was passionately determined to discover the truth. Dr. Carl Werner and his wife Debbie took up the challenge 14 years ago to find out what the fossil record truly reveals, traveling over 160,000 miles and visiting 60 museums and 10 dinosaur dig sites in eight countries.

In their search for the truth, they photographed fossils and videotaped interviews with expert evolutionary paleontologists and biologists. What they found was that there are massive problems with the fossil record and how it has been presented to the public. At the end of their exhaustive study, they concluded that the geological column’s fossils neither support Darwinian evolution nor any other aspect of evolution, such as common ancestry. 


Discovering That the Fossil Record Is Filled With Holes.

As they collected data and conducted interviews, the Werners began to see very clearly that the fossil record is terribly incomplete to support the theory of evolution and has a plethora of gigantic holes. They discovered wide spaces between evolutionary groups that are void of the many transitional species the evolutionary model requires. Their findings supported the work of Dr. Collin Paterson, past senior paleontologists of the British Museum of Natural History. In 1978 in his publication, "Evolution" there were no illustrations of transitional fossils and when asked why, he admitted:

"I fully agree with your comments about the lack of direct illustrations of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them…I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument."

Has the situation changed since 1978? Have more transitional fossils been found to fill in the gaps? The answer to that question is a resounding NO. In fact, it’s easy to find evidence for their non-existence by just being observant. I made this surprising realization on a family visit to the American Museum of Natural History in 2001.

After seeing the museum’s highly detailed two-story illustration on the evolution of dinosaurs during the day, in the evening I discovered a startling confession by one of the curators, Mark Norell, who helped author the book, Discovering Dinosaurs, in 1995. Filled with great illustrations of these magnificent creatures, I purchased this book at the museum bookstore. It had an interesting question-and-answer format, with the authors—all expert dinosaur paleontologists— providing the responses. As I read it that night, I was surprised to find one particular answer that placed dinosaur evolution in real jeopardy. The question was, “How many different kinds of dinosaurs are there?” The answer was, “about 40 different species.” This was based on “a literal reading of the record” during the “heyday of diversity” that occurred, according to evolution, at the end of the reign of the dinosaurs—the Late Cretaceous or 65 million years ago. Why so few? The answer continued, “Because the fossil record is incomplete; we can view the record only as a minimum estimate of the number of kinds of dinosaurs that existed in the past.” Then they admitted, “We do not know how bad the fossil record is, but we suspect it may be very bad.” 

Based on Dr. Werner’s findings about the fossil record, that is an understatement! When asked pointed questions about the origin of seals, sea lions, bats, fish, whales and even dinosaurs, the answers he received from museum curators, paleontologists and biologists are often uncompelling, if not ambiguous, and sometimes just an awkward silence. For example, when Dr. Angela Milner, paleontologist and head of vertebrate paleontology at the Natural Museum of London, was asked about meat-eating dinosaurs, she replied: 

"We certainly are lacking information that ties together meat-eating dinosaurs and all the rest of the dinosaurs…We really don’t have any idea how the whole group of dinosaurs, called ornithischians evolved. We really do not know exactly the timing and the way they branched off. We’ve got nothing yet. There is a huge gap.” (Evolution: The Grand Experiment, p.123)

The ornithischians is a distinctive major group of “bird-hipped” dinosaurs; the other major group being the “lizard-hipped” (saurischians). As Dr. Milner’s quote indicates, there are obviously major problems with dinosaur evolution as represented in the fossil record. According to the evolutionary model, ornithischians were plant-eating dinosaurs that were hunted by Tyrannosaurus rex and other meat-eating dinosaurs. However, there is no explanation for how the meat eaters evolved into their plant-eating “cousins!” Dr. Milner’s “huge gap” needs to be filled, and she and many other evolutionists are waiting hopefully for gaps like that to be filled. Unfortunately, as time moves on, the list of gaps just continues to grow. The rational thing to do would be to reject the evolutionary model for the creation model, because it very accurately matches the fossil data. But don’t hold your breath!

Finding Modern Creatures Among Supposedly Million-Year-Old Fossils Leaves the Current Evolutionary Model in Shambles.

Coontie Zamia Pumila
Missouri Botanical Gardens, USA

Images taken from Evolution The Grand Experiment Vol. 2 - Living Fossil's Book
Perhaps the most embarrassing fact that defies evolution—and the most well-kept secret the Werners discovered—was finding modern plants and animals in fossil layers that date back to the dinosaur era (250 million to 65 million years B.C. and beyond. To his total amazement, Dr. Werner found numerous examples of modern creatures in fossil collections all over the world.

As he puts it, “We found fossil examples of every major animal phyla living today, and the fossils looked nearly identical to the modern forms.” According to Dr. Werner, when you find modern fossils with dinosaurs there’s a serious problem: “If lots of modern animals and fossils are found alongside dinosaurs, it implies they lived together and [that] supports one-time creation.”

Common House Cricket
Acheta Domesticus
Missouri, USA

Images taken from Evolution
The Grand Experiment Vol. 2 - Living Fossil's Book
In the second book and DVD based on their discoveries, called Living Fossils, Dr. Werner and his wife accurately document the living creatures they found in the fossil record. Comparing modern-day versions of the major aquatic arthropods (crustaceans), such as shrimp, crayfish, fresh water pawns, lobsters, crabs and horseshoe crabs, with their fossil “ancestors,” clearly demonstrate how closely they match up. 

Dinosaur-Era Brittle Star
Ophiopetra
Jurassic, Kelheim, Germany

Images taken from Evolution The Grand Experiment Vol. 2 - Living Fossil's Book
Birds show this same pattern. Dr. Paul Sereno of the University of Chicago, provide genuine insights into the discovery of living animal groups that are buried alongside the dinosaurs:

"What has become apparent is that many of the modern bird groups—parrots, maybe even penguins, and other kinds of owls—evolved earlier in the Dinosaur Era, and we are beginning to pick up their traces." But if modern types of birds were living with the dinosaurs alongside extinct birds, how could they evolve from them—and where is the line of descent, not to mention all the intermediate (transitional) species?"

It would appear that Dr. Sereno has not thought this problem out thoroughly. Sereno’s thinking is blinded by the belief that evolution is inherently true, no matter what the evidence reveals. As is typical of evolutionary science, there is a lack of open-mindedness and willingness to let the evidence speak for itself and lead to truth.

Evolution is only made to appear credible in the fossil record by tremendous amounts of bias, manipulation and outright censorship employed by secular paleontology, which the Werner’s Living Fossils blatantly exposes. We at the Creation Studies Institute believe that everyone should see this DVD (if not read the book), especially the young people in our public schools. As Dr. Werner inquires:

"Would you believe me if I told you that evolution scientists have found flamingos with dinosaurs, parrots with dinosaurs, opossums with dinosaurs, sequoias with dinosaurs; or dinosaurs with boa constrictors, box turtles, frogs, and salamanders?…Even though parrots have been found in dinosaur rock layers, who has ever seen a parrot sitting on the back of T. rex in their college textbook artwork? Or who has ever seen a boa constrictor slithering under Triceratops at their local museum—or an opossum, or a duckbilled platypus?"

Death and the Fossil Record

Fossilization is a method of preservation where once-living organisms are preserved by a variety of different processes. Methods include permineralization and petrification, carbonization or coalification, freezing or refrigeration, drying or desiccation, and preservation in amber or some other suitable substance like tar, such as at the La Brea Tar Pits in downtown Los Angles. Basically, for a fossil to form, an organism must die and be rapidly buried under conducive, low oxygen (anaerobic) conditions. As has been thoroughly proved, the one thing it doesn’t take is a lot of time. The old uniformitarian concept that fossils form over lengthy periods has been thoroughly debunked. 

Contrary to the claims and machinations of evolutionary science, fossils bear vivid witness to the truth of God’s Word. When presented honestly and fairly, the fossil record shows every organism appearing abruptly, fully formed and without evidence of evolutionary precursors or transitional species. The model of a worldwide, cataclysmic flood, as described in the Bible, actually predicts this result. What else could have created such a vast record of death and destruction as found in the geological column, composed primarily of marine creatures (vertebrate fossils account for less than 1% of all fossils), with complex life forms appearing suddenly in one of the "bottom layers", i.e., the Cambrian Explosion, with only bacteria, plankton and multi-celled algae appearing below?

As the first chapter of the book of Genesis explains, every living organism was created to reproduce “after its own kind,” not to evolve into new kinds (or species). But as a result of Adam’s sin and the Fall, man’s sinful condition eventually became so toxic that God had to intervene. God’s plan was to rescue mankind through Noah and re-establish the human race through the descendents of his family. While “Noah found grace (unmerited favor) in the sight of the Lord,” God sent a worldwide, cataclysmic flood to wipe out satanically-corrupted mankind, whose “every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually,” (Genesis 6:1-8).

The Flood was so powerful that it literally transformed the face of the planet. This universal deluge that covered the mountains produced—in just a matter of months—a majority of the geologic column, with the plants and animals that perished in it buried throughout. Instead of justifying Darwinian evolution, the fossil record serves as a testimony of the death and destruction resulting from God’s righteous judgment of the earth. It stands as a sentinel, pointing the way to the One who provides mankind with a “living ark,” Jesus Christ. Just as God provided a safe haven for Noah and his family (as well as animals), today Christ stands as a lighthouse of forgiveness and reconciliation amid the storm of a sin-cursed world. He is the Light of the World, who guides men and women of every generation to the truth of God’s unfailing love.

Played on thousands of cable networks and eight satellites around the world, Evolution: The Grand Experiment has aroused much attention in evolutionary circles, and Dr. Werner has been accused of many unfounded things, including lying, not being a doctor and other slanders. Our ministry stands with Dr. and Mrs. Werner and believes the message of their historic work needs to get out to the public, so people can witness the brainwashing and outright censorship that takes place in the name of evolution.

Their second project concluded with the production of a Living Fossils DVD, revealing interviews with curators of prestigious museums around the world with damaging testimony against evolution. This DVD will open eyes and set the record straight as you join Dr. Werner and his wife on this beautiful video journey exposing of the numerous modern-day creatures that appear throughout the fossil record. CSI is pleased to offer the Living Fossils DVD for a donation.

Evolutionary dogma is undermining the faith of millions around the world. Would you join our effort to help the Werner’s outstanding work give testimony to the truth and receive the recognition it deserves? If so, please prayerfully consider contributing to our ministry. Your gift will enable both CSI and the Werners continue to serve as beacons of light, exposing the fallacies of evolution. God bless you.

Tom DeRosa
Executive Director
and Founder of Creation Studies Institute

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Ironically, the fossil layers of Southern Indiana include a rich tableau of different rock types and fossil types along the Whitewater River basin.   There, where my cousins and I found that river otters, water moccasins, copperheads and rattlesnakes all lived even if the Golden Book series of wildlife handbooks didn't agree, we also found a great abundance of crayfish, commonly called  "crawdads" in the area.   We found beds of trilobites all upright and therefore apparently alive when buried as well as massive beds of ordinary shellfish that resemble those living today in our oceans.  We found fern fossils in an area where similar ferns still grew.  However, being brainwashed in evolution we did not really see the disconnect at the time.   We were simply doing what young Charles Darwin had done while aboard the HMS Beagle.   We were being naturalists.   We caught and released all the non-poisonous snakes to be found, all types of turtles and amphibians and so on.  We caught a few fish but mostly there were either bottom-feeding carp types or skinny gars, not a lot of really good bass or trout in that area.   

In my little corner of the Midwest, there are all sorts of limestone and shale and slate and sandstone layers with fossils.   I've found them in the gravel quarries and in creek beds an in hillsides and roadcuts and caves.   Sure were a LOT of living things buried rapidly and preserved in Indiana, and Indiana is not the treasure trove of fossils some other states have proven to be.


Anyway, now for some more bad news for Darwnists:









22 comments:

Jon Woolf said...

"My own experience includes finding modern shellfish in the same layers as trilobites."

How do you know they were modern shellfish?

The claims made by Dr. Werner do not make sense. Example:

The question was, “How many different kinds of dinosaurs are there?” The answer was, “about 40 different species.” This was based on “a literal reading of the record” during the “heyday of diversity” that occurred, according to evolution, at the end of the reign of the dinosaurs—the Late Cretaceous or 65 million years ago.

He must be leaving out some significant part of what Norell wrote. I sat down and listed as many dinosaur species as I could remember off the top of my head, without looking in any books and leaving off any that I wasn't sure were still accepted taxa. I got to sixty genera, many of them holding multiple species, before I stopped. After that, a couple of web searches found that there are around 700 currently-accepted species of dinosaurs; however, because you often can't tell species apart by their skeletons alone, it's probable that our current collections include many more than 700 actual biological species.

Anonymous whatsit said...

Radar's claim: "The bottom-most layers have both modern and extinct creatures and there are modern creatures amongst the fossils at most levels. The lie that only extinct animals are in those layers is just that, a lie."

EVIDENCE OR RETRACTION PLEASE.

Anonymous whatsit said...

Okay, so the Radar epic fail is well on its way. One massive evasion, and no sign of Radar being able to back up his outlandish claim.

Radar, your claim was this:

"The bottom-most layers have both modern and extinct creatures and there are modern creatures amongst the fossils at most levels. The lie that only extinct animals are in those layers is just that, a lie."

We're not talking about the most recent layers featuring dinosaurs, but the bottom-most layers, which would be those identified as Pre-Cambrian and Cambrian. If YEC were true, we would expect to see any number of dogs, cats, cows, elephants, snakes, you name it, right in this layer. The article even acknowledges this fact:

"What else could have created such a vast record of death and destruction as found in the geological column, composed primarily of marine creatures (vertebrate fossils account for less than 1% of all fossils), with complex life forms appearing suddenly in one of the "bottom layers", i.e., the Cambrian Explosion, with only bacteria, plankton and multi-celled algae appearing below?"

Makes sense from a long-Earth/evolution perspective, but not from a YEC one.

Anonymous whatsit said...

None of what Dr. Werner presents here is a serious challenge to evolution (evolution doesn't have to occur at a constant rate, it can happen quickly, but it can also happen very slowly), and when he gets to the stuff that would be more of a challenge to current understanding of bird evolution, he's already mired in, you guessed it, conspiracy theories.

Likewise, I don't get what all the complaints about gaps in the fossil record are supposed to gain YEC. The fact that dinosaurs only appear in certain layers, quite predictably, and are never found with, say, hippos or elephants, consistently confirms an old Earth and evolution.

Anonymous said...

ANd once again Radar has promised more than he can deliver...

How about it, Radar, are you man enough to correct your statement?

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

Let's make this easy for Radar:

"The bottom-most layers have both modern and extinct creatures and there are modern creatures amongst the fossils at most levels. The lie that only extinct animals are in those layers is just that, a lie."

You're clearly saying that there are modern, non-extinct creatures in the bottom-most layers. As indeed there would be if YEC were true.

The bottom-most layers appear to be the ones we commonly refer to as the Pre-Cambrian and Cambrian layers, whether you agree with those descriptors or not.

Please provide any evidence at all that remains of modern, non-extinct creatures have been found in those layers (or, if you prefer, even lower layers).

Keep in mind that this is what YEC would predict: that we would see remains of modern creatures jumbled in with extinct creatures at every layer, including the bottom-most ones.

And this is something we categorically do not see. On the contrary - look at the quote from the article you posted above: "only bacteria, plankton and multi-celled algae appearing below [the Cambrian Explosion]".

So, Radar, please either

(1) provide evidence that remains of modern, non-extinct creatures have been found in the bottom-most layers, or

(2) show us that, as a Christian, you are not without a sense of honor and amend/retract your claim.

radar said...

If you are too blind to see, that is on you not me. You are not fooling me and if there are any normal readers checking out your comments they and I both recommend going to get your vision checked.

Clear photographs of a few of the modern creatures found in so-called "ancient" rocks presented in this post and in the last post I presented several predictions made by creation science IN ADVANCE that were prove true.

On top of that more to come!

radar said...

As far as dinosaurs, we have vast amounts of evidence that man and dinosaur lived at the same time and for many centuries AFTER the Flood. This includes official government records, personal accounts and also art of various kinds - figurines, carvings, drawings, pictographs...Why do Darwinists persist in promoting what they must know in their heart of hearts is a myth? The answer is not found in evidence.

I think this post is instructive because I show proof of modern animals in "ancient" rocks and a guy like HLH cannot comprehend the information. How can this be?

Religious reasons predominate. I am a guy who came from being a Darwinist to a YEC because of evidence and AFTER I had become a Christian. I just wanted to know the truth, whatever that truth might be. I do not think Jon Woolf and HLH and other Darwinist commenters would accept this evidence even if Jesus Himself appeared to them and told them it was so.

The Bible lists such an incident. I will post it.

Jon Woolf said...

Anon whatsit: "Likewise, I don't get what all the complaints about gaps in the fossil record are supposed to gain YEC."

It's known, slightly pithily, as the "God of the gaps explanation." As long as there are gaps in the fossil record, creationists can get away with claiming that evolutionary theory is a failure because it doesn't provide every single link in the chain from ancestor-species-X to descendant-species-Y. It's the same deceptive mind-set that leads other creationists to claim that if you can't show them a photograph that shows the entire geologic column at once - not a written description, not a diagram, not a sketch, only a photograph - then the geologic column doesn't actually exist.

Incidentally, did you notice that one of Doc Werner's examples was crayfish? In doing a bit of research on that, I discovered an interesting fact. Crayfish are, of course, freshwater-only animals, which raises the interesting question of how they got to all seven continents. Well, it seems that there are two distinct clades of crayfish. One occurs only in the Northern Hemisphere. The other occurs only in the Southern Hemisphere. Conventional geology can explain this easily. Creationism can't.

Anonymous whatsit said...

"I think this post is instructive because I show proof of modern animals in "ancient" rocks and a guy like HLH cannot comprehend the information."

I comprehend the information perfectly well, thank you. But it appears that you don't, and perhaps you don't even understand your own claim, as we've seen you do before on this blog.

Some flora and fauna in the dinosaur age are similar to present-day flora and fauna. This is not a falsification of evolution, nor even a confirmation of YEC. There are unsubstantiated rumors of parrot-like and penguin-like creatures in the dinosaur age, which unfortunately have fallen prey to some alleged conspiracy.

Did you present any evidence of modern, non-extinct creatures in the bottom-most layers, as you claimed?

Absolutely not.

You've stated this as a certainty, but can't back it up with anything at all. You've called the opposing viewpoint a lie, even though it is backed up by evidence, as is even mentioned in the article you then copypastaed.

Your evasions aren't fooling anyone. You (very predictably) lost this round.

Now it is only your foolish pride that's keeping you from amending your claim and/or admitting fault.

Anonymous whatsit said...

"I am a guy who came from being a Darwinist to a YEC because of evidence and AFTER I had become a Christian."

Well of course. It's always a desire to see the Bible be literally true in every aspect that drives people to YEC. The evidence alone certainly wouldn't do it.

Anonymous said...

"I do not think Jon Woolf and HLH and other Darwinist commenters would accept this evidence even if Jesus Himself appeared to them and told them it was so."

If it's as weak as the stuff you're presenting here, well of course we wouldn't believe it if Jesus himself appeared and told us it was so.

But you would, I suppose.

Ever hear of a logical fallacy called the argument from authority? That something must be true just because of who says it?

Whatever happened to "think for yourself", Radar?

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

"I think this post is instructive because I show proof of modern animals in "ancient" rocks and a guy like HLH cannot comprehend the information."

What makes you think I "cannot comprehend the information"? I've read through it all, and it's quite lacking... and not just that, but notice the very quick swerve to alleged conspiracy theories, entirely unfounded.

You clearly haven't backed up your claim. No sign of any evidence of modern creatures in the bottom-most layers.

You clearly lack the dignity to admit your mistake, but your surrender on this issue is perfectly clear to everyone else.

Thanks for playing.

radar said...

HLH, you wouldn't be named Ian Plimer by chance?

You can castigate me personally and that will not fix the evidence problems you have. You can twist what I say. Neither of those things will convince normal people.

No, I do not "demonize" most atheists, I just point out that they are borrowing the Christian moral code and never acknowledge it.

Tribe behavior is different from individual survival pressures. In the animal kingdom we usually see either one dominant male with a set of females, not males and females pairing up in big communities. We do see hive behavior but it is obviously programmed into the organisms. Bees, for instance, have a complex language to communicate to their fellow bees concerning the location of flowers. There is no Bee School where younger bees are taught, they have this language and understanding preexistent in the genome. You cannot explain that.

There are some animals that pair up and mate for life. But this is not common. There is no explanation for the massive variations of living things on this planet and the massive variations of behavior types unless you understand that a Designer created all sorts of kinds of creatures.

Within the individual kinds there are built-in contingencies and redundancies and quality control and meta-information to instruct the cell how to build itself. All this information is inexplicable in a world without a Designer.

Also, in the world there are redundancies in the categories of organisms, so that there are multiple organisms that can fit an important niche in the food chain = life-food-death-recycling of materials-life again. We have all sorts of herbivores we can raise to produce milk and cheese and now also meat. We have all sorts of birds we can get eggs from and/or raise to eat.

Also, did you know some kinds of aquatic animals have both freshwater and saltwater varieties and some can live in either/or? So some fish that were land-locked after the Flood are now freshwater only and some saltwater only. Then again there is the Salmon, which is both.

You can pretend that modern animals in "ancient" rocks is not a problem for you. I haven't even brought up Lazarus Taxa again = living animals supposedly extinct long ago that we now find still exist. There are a LOT of those, also.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“HLH, you wouldn't be named Ian Plimer by chance?”

As it happens I would not.

“You can castigate me personally”

Only your consistent lack of intellectual honesty. You are free to change your behavior and I won’t hold your past wrong-doings against you. But as long as you engage in your deceptive tactics and run away from the numerous challenges posed to YEC, you can rest assured that you will be called out on it.

“and that will not fix the evidence problems you have.”

I haven’t seen any “evidence problems” presented on your blog yet, only a ton of willful misunderstanding of opposing points of view on your part.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“No, I do not "demonize" most atheists, I just point out that they are borrowing the Christian moral code and never acknowledge it.”

The rather obvious riposte to that is that the so-called Christian moral code is simply a human-created codification of a societal consensus.

“Tribe behavior is different from individual survival pressures.”

Indeed. But keep in mind that the ability of an organism to survive may be dependent on the ability of a tribe to survive. If the protection of the tribe benefits the survival of the individual (or of more individuals than would otherwise be the case), then evolution can select for it.

“In the animal kingdom we usually see either one dominant male with a set of females, not males and females pairing up in big communities.”

What’s your point? And what’s the “or” that you had in mind when you wrote “either”?

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“We do see hive behavior but it is obviously programmed into the organisms.”

(There’s that word “obviously” again... on what basis do you claim that hive behavior is programmed by a designer?)

“Bees, for instance, have a complex language to communicate to their fellow bees concerning the location of flowers. There is no Bee School where younger bees are taught, they have this language and understanding preexistent in the genome. You cannot explain that.”

Why not? Just because it is complex doesn’t mean it can’t have evolved. Not understanding that is one of the key problems with your entire approach.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“There are some animals that pair up and mate for life. But this is not common. There is no explanation for the massive variations of living things on this planet and the massive variations of behavior types unless you understand that a Designer created all sorts of kinds of creatures.”

... or unless you understand evolution, of course. Let’s not forget about that option. Just because you don’t want to understand it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

“Within the individual kinds there are built-in contingencies and redundancies and quality control and meta-information to instruct the cell how to build itself.”

Do you think these aspects you mention might have a survival benefit?

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“All this information is inexplicable in a world without a Designer.”

No, it is easily explainable by natural selection.

“Also, in the world there are redundancies in the categories of organisms, so that there are multiple organisms that can fit an important niche in the food chain = life-food-death-recycling of materials-life again. We have all sorts of herbivores we can raise to produce milk and cheese and now also meat. We have all sorts of birds we can get eggs from and/or raise to eat.”

Entirely compatible with evolution.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“Also, did you know some kinds of aquatic animals have both freshwater and saltwater varieties and some can live in either/or? So some fish that were land-locked after the Flood are now freshwater only and some saltwater only. Then again there is the Salmon, which is both. ”

Again, entirely compatible with evolution.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“You can pretend that modern animals in "ancient" rocks is not a problem for you.”

You have yet to demonstrate them in rocks that are ancient enough for them to actually be a problem. Plants and insects in the dinosaur age that look similar to plants and insects in the present day? Not a problem. Parrots in the dinosaur age? Potentially a problem, at least to our current understanding of parrot evolution – but sadly all the evidence for that was destroyed by an Evil Conspiracy, right? Riiiiight.

Evidence of modern man or any other non-extinct animals in Pre-Cambrian layers? Yes, that would be a problem. And that is what you claimed existed. And then couldn’t even remotely back it up.

Sorry Radar, but you lose this round, big-time.

"Hot Lips" Houlihan said...

“I haven't even brought up Lazarus Taxa again = living animals supposedly extinct long ago that we now find still exist. There are a LOT of those, also.”

And all the ones you’ve mentioned in the past have actually not been a problem. It only means that a species that we had thought was extinct (because it was so rare) was actually not extinct. So what?