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Friday, January 27, 2006

Creation trumps Evolution: Uniformitarianism

A precept of evolutionary teaching has been Uniformitarianism. Basically, that the rock formations found layered around the globe are the result of the debris of long ages of the earth, millions of years. Three layers of rock could have taken 180 million years to be deposited. Sir Charles Lyell (1797-1875), at first a lawyer without a scientific degree, popularized the Uniformitarian concept proposed by George Cuvier.

Creationists agree with the Bible, that there was a world-wide catastrophic flood and that flood is responsible for the rock layering we see today. Genesis 7:4 (NIV) "Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made." Alan V. Jopling, Dept. of Geology, Harvard; "it is reasonable to postulate a very rapid rate of deposition; that is a single lamina would probably be deposited in a period of seconds or minutes rather than in a period of hours. ...There is factual evidence from both field observation and experiment that laminae composed of bed material are commonly deposited by current action within a period of seconds or minutes."

Careful studies of the sedimentary layers of the earth point to layering caused by flood. The fossil layers are generally distributed as one would expect in a flood, the bottom dwelling sea life at the bottom, the fish at another level, shore-dwellers at another layer and the largest land animals near the top. (Particularly the ones capable of recognizing danger and able to run to higher ground). Although Uniformitarianism calls for gradual layering, in the real world there are consistently sharp and obvious contrasts between layers. This would be the expected result with layering that would result from a worldwide flood.

One trouble with this Uniformitarianism concept is that the rock layers worldwide do not conform to the idea. Layers thought more ancient are consistently found above those expected to be more recent. Darwinists blithely explain that entire mountains were somehow turned upside down and/or transported 30-3,000 (!) miles or more in order to try to explain disorder in the rock layers. Also in nature you sometimes see mixed layers (like younger, older and then younger) or skipped layers (somehow going from 120 million years old to 280 million years old with no middle layers.)

Evolutionists have a great deal of trouble explaining bent and twisted rock formations such as these. It is obvious that this rock must have been convoluted while it was not yet entirely hardened. Now how do millions of years of nice, hard rock get folded like this without snapping? We aren't just talking small areas of rock, either!

Genesis 7:17-24 (NIV) "For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days."

Polystrate fossils are another overwhelming problem to evolutionists. These are fossils that extend through two or more sedimentary layers of rock. Fossilized trees extending through layers of coal were common discoveries for coal miners of the 19th and 20th centuries. N.A Rupke, the geologist who coined the polystrate term, collected descriptions and pictures of hundred of such fossils around the world. In one case, Rupke produced a photograph of "a lofty trunk, exposed in a sandstone quarry near Edinburgh [Scotland], which measured no less than 25 meters and, intersecting 10 or 12 different strata, leaned at an angle of about 40 [degrees]". Polystrate fossils, not limited to trees but also animal fossils, are found in abundance in the real world. Megabreccias, giant boulders surrounded by many layers of strata, are another common occurrence. Evolutionists suggest that in those particular cases the surrounding accumulation must have happened quickly. That is exactly what Creationists would say, however, crediting the Noahic flood described in the Bible as the source for the worldwide layers of fossil-bearing sediment.

Certainly the specific gravity of some of the remains comes into play in the deposits and there are fossils in which animals are “caught” in an onslaught while eating another animal or giving birth! The sedimentary layers often exhibit ripples or signs of “turbidity current deposits” or sediments resulting from flood conditions. The layers are usually quite defined, with no signs of wear between them.

In short, what is found in the real world does not agree with what is taught in the classroom. Uniformitarianism is a fantasy when less than 1% of the rock formations found world-wide agree with the geological column that is taught in school. Coming soon: a look at fossils

PS- If you have not seen this, Simon says "know your stuff!"


cranky old fart said...

"Science and religion are things we learn as children. For too many people, learning stops at 10. People are going through life with a 10- year-olds knowledge of science and a 10-year-old's knowledge of religion."
Br. Guy J. Cosolmagno

Thank you for once again confirming this sorry fact.

radar said...

Gee, you really shot down my well-reasoned and attributed arguments, cranky!

I wonder how much tramping around out in the field checking out fossils and rock formations you have done? I wonder how many hours you've spent studying the Bible? Do you have even one counter-argument???

radar said...

Oh, I forgot to say thanks for commenting. I'm all up for discussion on the subject...

cranky old fart said...

"I wonder how many hours you spent studying the Bible"

What does studying the Bible have to do with science?

radar said...

Cranky, if you are studying Creation Science then a knowledge of the Bible is helpful. Once scientists acknowledged God and considered His words when studying the world around them. I do, too!

I am still waiting for someone to respond to the posting about the rock layers found out in the world? Otherwise, the first point is made, and stands.

cranky old fart said...

If Creation Science requires belief in Gods, angels, etc. to make its case, it obviously ain't science.

As for all the polystrate fossils and other "overwhelming problems of evolution"; oh please.

The amazing fossilized tress etc. have not been a problem for geologist since the 19th century, and there is a mountain of literature explaining the strata "problem" you put forth.

May I suggest this site;

It has been roundly praised by such fringe elements as the Smithsonian Institute, The Geological Society of America, The Scientific American, American Association for the Advancement of Science, Scientific American, etc....

By the way, I have read the Bible. I find it hard to believe anyone over 10 could possibly take it literally. I mean, shall we discuss the practical impossibility of Noah and all them animals, etc.?

radar said...

I know of the "mountain of literature" and it is ridiculous in the extreme to me. To even begin to believe in all the flip-flops and so on necessary to explain so many examples of rock layers out of place, you would have to imagine the entire earth break dancing. One uniformitarian explanation concerning this has a mountain in Switzerland being moved all the way from Africa!

Answers in Genesis has answered what Talk Origins claims about polystrate fossils. There are many thousands of polystrate fossils found all over the world, by the way. Those who want to use local floods to explain this phenomenon have two big problems - the incredible number and scope of local floods necessary and also that evidence of salt water is almost always found in these same fossils, precluding a rain-and-freshwater-flood scenario.

cranky old fart said...

Well, if you find Bible stories to be a superior source of knowledge compared to the scientific literature there really is no point in discussing the subject, is there?

Enjoy your demon haunted world.

radar said...

"Well, if you find Bible stories to be a superior source of knowledge compared to the scientific literature there really is no point in discussing the subject, is there?

Enjoy your demon haunted world."

Gee, I thought that Answers in Genesis WAS a scientific site? It is a site like Talk Origins, only the scientists on AIG have more credentials than the TO guys. There is some great recent information regarding the science behind the polystrate fossils on that site.

Demons like to hang out around people who DON'T hang out with God, so I am afraid I don't run into them much anymore. Are demons also predicted by Talk Origins or are you believing in something from the Bible after all? Hey, even demons believe =

James 2:19 "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."

cranky old fart said...

Actually the "demon" comment, as I'm sure you are aware, comes from the Carl Sagan book of the same name. It concerns the ongoing frustration of science in a world where people believe in such superstitions...

cranky old fart said...

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.

3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.

4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.

That's a scientific site??

radar said...

Do you want to be a member of a Christian organization? Then there you go. But you can access the articles and so on without membership. That avoids the issues, though, so how about polystrates? Now that it is shown that sea water was present during the time that most polystrates are formed, local flood explanations are no longer applicable.

cranky old fart said...

Speaking of issue avoidance, how about that boat with the millions of species on board?

radar said...

I will post an answer to that one today, too long to put in here.

Dave said...

I look forward to the answer on Noahs Ark! It will without doubt be the largest ship that ever floated and all made of wood as well. Remarkable!

cranky old fart said...

I'll bet it will indeed be a long one Radar. Takes a lot to work one's way around simple common sense.