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Friday, April 28, 2006

NOT like Jesus -Westboro Antichrists

A friend of mine, not a blogger, is a guy who like to play fantasy sports. He and I have been in leagues together for probably at least three years. He is a teenager, a very smart guy, and I am glad to know him. He emailed me today:

Dear Radar,

I'm sending this to you because you have the largest audience of anyone I can think. Reading about this group and watching this video made me sick to my stomach, I'm sure you and all of your readers would feel the same way. As Louis Brandeis said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant," and I'm hoping you won't mind shedding some on these whackos.

Nick (my friend)

He was referring to the Westboro Baptist Church. Many of us in the blogosphere have already spoken out about these guys.

Nick sent me this video link. I suppose it speaks for itself. It takes a bit to load but be patient, you really should see this.

Now, you can get a big camel and walk around with him downtown with a rope tied around his neck. You can put a big sign on that camel that reads, "Dog". If you are a very talented animal trainer you may even teach the camel to bark. But that camel will never, ever be a dog.

In the same way, these Westboro people can call themselves Christians and their organization a church but anyone with a lick of sense can see that they are nothing but an ungodly organization of haters along the lines of Ku Klux Klansmen and Skinheads. Look at this link again. See what these WBC idiots say. They hate Jews and Gays and Blacks and in fact they hate other Christians and they hate America. They hate soldiers. They hate.

To support them, to defend them, to give them any credit at all is contemptible. Jesus went to the poorer parts of town and sought out those who were ignored by others. He would eat and drink and talk with them, heal their diseases and invite them to follow Him. There is not one man or woman on this planet that Jesus would treat in the manner the WBC people act towards anyone who disagrees with their whacko worldview.

Addendum -

FRANKFORT, Ky. — The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit Monday, challenging a new Kentucky law that limits protests at funerals.

The law is an an attempt to prevent disruptions at military funerals. The law was aimed at members of the Westboro Baptist Church Cult, who have toured the country protesting military funerals with signs saying such things as, "God Hates Fags", and "Thank God For Dead Soldiers." Members of the cult believe the soldiers' deaths are a sign of God punishing America for tolerating homosexuality.

I believe the First Amendment protects people's right to peacefully assemble. I find it odd that the ACLU are not protecting the right of those who wish to mourn the fallen to assemble without being harassed by lunatic cultists.

Kentucky should have seen the challenge coming. Similar legislation was opposed by the ACLU in Louisiana and Tennessee.

However, in this case it doesn't seem to be the cultists that the ACLU are worried about. They claim that it could lead to an innocent bystander being targeted.

Lili S. Lutgens, an attorney for the ACLU in Louisville, said a portion of the law is overly broad in the limitations it places on freedom of speech and on freedom of expression.

"The language is so broad that two people holding a conversation on a sidewalk, if there's a funeral going on the funeral home, then they'd be in violation," Lutgens said. "Somebody who was whistling as they walked down the sidewalk, if a funeral was in earshot, then they would also be in violation."

Yeah right! Once again the ACLU are blind to good common sense and decency in favor of some absolutist view on free speech. The laws being presented are not infringing upon their right to expression. They can go 500 to 1,000 feet away and protest all they want. What this legislation is attempting to do is no different than laws that protect political figures from protesters with reasonable buffer zones. It is also odd that the ACLU have fought on the opposite side when those being protested against were abortion clinics. However it isn't suprising, as we see more and more everyday, that the ACLU are selective in what kind of messages they protect as free speech, and which ones they either ignore or downright fight against.


Jeffahn said...


You appear to have comepltely forgotten about the Old Testament. Much of what she...uh, preached about was pretty average stuff for the OT. Yet it's funny how you dismiss her as looney. Compared to whom? Yeah, OK, so she's pretty deluded, but that's really not unusual (to at least some degree) in the majority of vaguely zelous religious advocates. Her near absolute delusion makes her 'brave' though and that's what I find facinating.

Middle_America said...

Jeffahn, I just seen the video. I really didn't hear her "preach" anything. More of a rant than a message.

She sounds like a candidate for another Jones case to me.

I was more fascinated Colmes jumped her as well.

Kerwin said...

God hates fags is at the best a misunderstanding of scripture. God tells us that homosexuality is unnatural behavior that is equivalent to any other transgression of the law of love your neighbor as yourself. There are certainly cases when God struck down people for wallowing in sin. I can not even say that he has not struck down American soldiers for our tolerance of homosexuality.

I doubt it because we have loss relatively few soldiers. In one battle of World War II we 600 of our own soldiers were killed by our own military. The MSM tries to make it apear like we are suffering major losses in order to sell the news.

The shorter lifespan and ill health of a number of homosexuals are more likely the result of God's wrath. It sounds like it is also why God warns people not to embrace homosexuality.

In my opinion the Westboro sect is just voicing their desires and not God's will.

Jeffahn said...


Leviticus says:

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Also, why does God hate Zimbabwe so much?

The average life expectancy there is now less than 40.

Is it perhaps due the lack of zrcbmg ?

oriolebird38 said...

I think our soldiers are dying due to the actions of opposing soldiers and insurgents in the field of battle. I really find it hard to believe that God is still going around smiting people. Can anyone name any instance of such since the birth of Jesus?

Jeffahn, no one is debating that homosexual acts aren't a sin. But to say something like "God Hates Fags" is ridiculous. Like Kerwin said, it's equivalent to any other sort of sin one can commit, and seeing as Jesus spent plenty of time with sinners such as prostitutes and tax collectors, He obviously didn't hate them. And Jesus is God, so by logic, God does not hate sinners. Now, He does hate sin, so maybe the placard should read "God Hates Gayness." But actually, I think a better idea would be to just not make a placard to protest at people's funerals, and let God do the judging.

And even if I'm wrong and God does hate sinners, he probably hates the WBC far more than any gay people, seeing as their sins (blasphemy) would qualify as greater than the sin of homosexual acts.

BTW, I went through Leviticus, found some other things we can't do:

11:9-12 "Of the various creatures that live in the water, you may eat the following: whatever in the seas or in river waters has both fins and scales you may eat. But of the various creatures that crawl or swim in the water, whether in the sea or in the rivers, all those that lack either fins or scales are loathsome for you, and you shall treat them as loathsome. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall loathe. Every water creature that lacks fins or scales is loathsome for you."

So if you've ever eaten a clam, or shrimp, or an oyster, I guess you deserve to be struck down too.

For a more relevant passage, I turn to 19:17-18
"You shall not bear hatred for your brother in your heart. Though you may have to reprove your fellow man, do not incur sin because of him. Take no revenge and cherish no grudge against your fellow countrymen. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

I think the heart of the issue, that the WBC are a bunch of blaspheming whackos, is undebatable.

19:27 "Do not clip your hair at the temples, nor trim the edges of your beard."

My point with all these quotations is that you can't go through Leviticus and only pick and choose the parts you want to obey. If you're going to live by the book of Leviticus, then you have to follow all of its tenants.

Or, you can just do what most rational people do and consider Leviticus to be a code of laws for an ancient people in an ancient world. No one literally follows Hammurabi's code anymore, nor should anyone follow Leviticus with any literal sense.

And finally, 25:44-46 tells us:
"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among the neighboring nations. You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

I'm sure the Antebellum South used this to justify keeping African slaves for as long as they did. Yet somehow, I get the feeling God prefers that the slaves were emancipated rather than continually enslaved.

Kerwin said...


A rebellious child was also to be put to death. It was a means of protecting the Hebrew society. I am sure if you think about it long enough you can figure out why both a child that rebels against his parents authority and the act of homosexuality are an attack on a society. I will have to remember to check if capital punishment was carried out by the people or by due processes of law.

radar said...

Guys, posting what the OT law said doesn't matter, since that doesn't apply to anyone today. The law was for the Jews and in they had an actual theocratic government at that time. Everyone knew the law and they were all subject to it.

However, despite the harshness of the law the punishments were carried out only if someone was accused and witnesses brought into play to prove that the sin occurred. This system was the predecessor to our justice system. No accuser, without two or more witnesses found to be truthful, could bring charges against anyone else successfully. Often the person who broke the law did not face any charges, but they themselves rather offered sacrifices for their sins.

Jesus did away with the ceremonial and judicial laws when He died on the cross. He nailed "the ordinances that were against us" to the tree by becoming a just sacrifice for every sin. There is no penalty now stated in the Bible for individual sins after the cross. Rather, there is one penalty for being an unforgiven sinner, death and hell. There is one way to be free from that penalty, that is to trust in Jesus Christ as Savior.

That is what God is about these days - seeking and saving the lost. The New Testament is full of verses that tell us this. Heck, God even wants to save those idiotic Westboro haters! He is certainly just as likely to want to save a homosexual as he is a politician or a blogger (!) or a veterinarian or you name it.

By the way, both homosexual sin and adultery are sins. Both breaking the speed limit in your car and swiping a candy bar from the drug store are sins. If you ever told a lie, you are as much of a sinner as any homosexual!

oriolebird38 said...


I left all that New Testament stuff out of my rebuttal because I didn't feel I was qualified enough to make a statement on it. Thank you for adding it.