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Friday, October 20, 2006

Democrats Have a Plan to Impeach Bush and Cheney if They Take Back the House

Democrats Have a Plan to Impeach Bush and Cheney if They Take Back the House

Yes, impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The plan is already in place should the Democrats take over the House:

A plan is in place to censure and impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Orchestrated and organized by the radical Left and Congressman John Conyers, Jr., this plan is ready to go should the Democratic Party take control of the House of Representatives in November.

The plan is the ultimate manifestation of left-wing hatred for George W. Bush rooted in the contentious election of 2000. Since failing to defeat Bush in 2004, the Left has focused its efforts on destroying his presidency by assembling a list of charges aimed at impeaching him.

Impeachment plans began seriously coalescing in 2005, after the NY Times published classified aspects of the NSA surveillance program. In mid- December of that year, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-CA, asked a group of presidential scholars whether President George W. Bush had committed an impeachable offense when he authorized the NSA foreign surveillance program. John Dean, the long-time Bush critic of Watergate fame provided Boxer with the answer she and most other Democrats were looking for: "Bush is the first president to admit an impeachable offense," he said.

Around the same time, Senator John Kerry, D-MA, told a gathering of 100 Democrats that, should they capture the House in 2006, there would be a "solid case" for impeachment based on President Bush's "misleading" the American public over prewar intelligence. Kerry was picking up where another prominent Democrat had, on November 1, 2005, left off. On that day, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid called a rare closed Senate session with other Democrats to look into the "misinformation and disinformation" used by the Bush administration to justify Operation Iraqi Freedom.


If the Dems take over the House, successfully impeach and convict President Bush and Vice President Cheney, guess what would happen as a result. President Nancy Pelosi.

It sounds far fetched, but that appears to be the
Democrats' plan:


Mary Katherine Ham discusses the impeachment plans and considers the pitfalls of a Pelosi Presidency...

"She is rated 100 percent by NARAL, the pro-abortion group. She gets an F from the National Rifle Association.

She gets a 100 percent rating from the National Education Association. She gets a 0 percent rating from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which wants to crack down on illegal immigration.

Then she turns around and calls Republicans extremists.

I do not want to portray her as a caricature of a San Francisco liberal, but that is how she votes.

A TV sitcom would reject as cliched a script that gave a San Francisco congresswoman such a voting record."


Elzabeth Holzman reveals part of the game plan on the Huffington Post.

Bottom line to what she asserts: "Every day brings a new justification for impeachment."

This is in the mind of the Democrats, even as they pretend and backtrack publically. This is the plan. Like I said, make my day!

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Here is a link from October 19th: Impeach Bush Now! Says Democrats.com Democrats dot com!!!

October 19th: Impeachbush.org

10/24/06 - Santa Barbara Impeachment Coalition is going to ask their City Council for an Impeachment Resolution.


Then there's the impeachbushcoalition.com and thefourreasons.org and many others. Liberals will try to pretend, some of them, that there are no plans to go forward with this while they are in the planning stages of doing just that - gathering petitions, looking for resolutions in state and local legislating bodies, in their rhetoric during liberal fundraisers. There is absolutely no doubt what the intention of the Pelosi/Reid mob - to impeach a sitting President because he disagrees with them.

27 comments:

cranky old fart said...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Do you guys really need this bogus "BOO" stuff to get your folks motivated EVERY election?

I know it's Halloween and all, but really.......

cranky old fart said...

Speaking of which, it's almost Halloween.

Time for the fundies to scare the kiddies by telling them their Tigger outfit makes them a pawn of SATAN!

highboy said...

Cranky, do you have any evidence to contradict all this in radar's post other than "zzzzzzzz"?

cranky old fart said...

Well give me some "facts" to contradict first. The statements of the principles are contrary to this nefarious "plan".

As I said on radar's other post, all I've seen is the promise of some oversight.

BOO!

radar said...

Cranky, you either didn't read those links or you have difficulty with comprehension. Your zzzzz doesn't pass for a rebuttal.

Your denials tell me that you think the American public wouldn't be in favor of the impeachment idea, which is what I think as well.

GoneFishin' said...

I think there are tons of people who would like to see Bush & Co. impeached but I hardly think the Democrats would be stupid enough to try that. First of all, the country is in seriously bad shape and it's going to take hard work for years to fix everything that's gone wrong. I imagine that the Democrats would be willing to open investigations -- but that's going to be necessary to fix everything, right? And when the people find out what's really been going on, chances are that not only with the Democrats feel pushed toward impeachment but the Republicans who remain in the House and Senate will as well. As I'm sure you there's been a lot of dirty dealing going on all over the place. What this great country needs is a little truth, justice and house cleaning.

radar said...

gonefishin...and then we're going to find the wizards hiding in the white house behind the curtains who know how to turn stones into gold and summon the flying dragons and they'll make us so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o rich and we'll make hollywood movies and Barbra Streisand will autograph our sleeves and EVERYTHIING!!!!

highboy said...

Radar you're assuming we even get that far before the aliens in black helicopters thwart our investiagation and brainwash everyone into Christianity. Luckily, I have my tin foil hat handy...

Amy Proctor said...

Doesn't surprise me at all.

For all the Republicans saying they're not voting (I don't know any, I just keep hearing it so perhaps it's not even true, who knows... every election has disgruntled party members), this election is too important to ignore.

In SC, we're voting absentee ballot and I'm very disappointed in R-Sen. Lindsey Graham. He even attended a pro-illegal immigration rally I protested in Columbia! But the point is this:

If Republicans "deserve" to lose, what does that mean about the Democrats? Do THEY deserve to win? Absolutley not.

The primaries are the time to send a message to the same-party politicians, not elections.

When I imagine what will happen to the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, I get quite scared. With a withdrawl date in Iraq, Iraqis will be faced with DEATH. If they appear to have supported the war effort, they will be targeted and killed after the withdrawl. They know this. The rest will change their alliance to sympathy for the insurgency. What choice will they have?

Democrats canNOT gain control of the Hosue or Senate. Human lives are at stake here, from the unborn to innocent Iraqis. If anyone is disgruntled with their Republican politician, vote for him and then innundate his office with phone calls, e-mails and letters voicing your concern and opposition. Republican leaders know they are there to represent their constituients.

cranky old fart said...

Amy,

"When I imagine what will happen to the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, I get quite scared"

Well of course you do. It's what your leader counts on. Time and time again....

cranky old fart said...

"Cranky, you either didn't read those links or you have difficulty with comprehension."

Read 'em. My response is zzzzzz. It's just more election time Boo stuff. Get out from under your bed.

highboy said...

"Read 'em. My response is zzzzzz. It's just more election time Boo stuff. Get out from under your bed."

So what evidence can you produce, or what argument can you make, to show that these links radar posted are not credible? "zzzzz" doesn't count.

Anonymous said...

have any of you read the piece by Pat Tillerman's brother Kevin? I think you should give this a read, even if you find it not entirely to your liking. After Pat’s Birthday

I think Amy's right, there is an incredible amount at stake, but I don't understand why you think "Staying The Course" is going to solve anything. The Bush regime has proven itself incapable of considering alternative positions, other people's ideas and they've nearly run this country into the ground.

We're less safe as a result. We're less energy independent. We're terrifically further in debt. We're exporting jobs left and right and doing little to help educate the populace (no child left behind? please). Hell, we just gave up the rule of Habeas Corpus -- do you know what that even means? That means that if you reelect these corrupt politicians and then "innundate his office with phone calls, e-mails and letters voicing your concern and opposition" you might be seen as enough of a threat that you'll be picked up, thrown in jail and never see the inside of a courtroom in order to defend yourself.

If you really believe this is the American you want to live in -- if your fear of Democrats is that extreme... I just can't see how, as Americans, we can be so petty that one would want to destroy so much of what makes America great just so as to avoid having to admit, perhaps, that mistakes were made. True bravery is having the courage to disagree with the majority -- especially when that majority uses threats and intimidation (see Rove, Coulter, O'Reilly et al) to silence such voices.

As I said, read the Tillerman piece.

creeper said...

"So what evidence can you produce, or what argument can you make, to show that these links radar posted are not credible? "zzzzz" doesn't count."

The links don't make a credible argument about a current plan to impeach Bush in the first place, i.e. they don't even back up their own headline. If you look at the article, what you'll find is references to some House Resolutions introduced almost a year ago, the sponsorship for which is dead in the water at this point.

If the article did present some actual evidence that such a plan existed, then one could argue against it or present evidence against it - but the article doesn't do that.

Looks like a simple scare-mongering rehash of old news intended to persuade Republicans to head down to the polls after all. The reasoning behind it makes sense, since it is thought that Republican turnout will be lackluster this year due to lacking support for Bush as president (see low approval ratings).

As for investigating Bush's actions, surely a president as great as he is doesn't fear accountability in front of the American people?

And if he did happen to commit impeachable offenses, what would be the right thing to do? This is keeping in mind, of course, that the bar for an impeachable offense has now been set as low as perjury in a civil case.

Mazement said...

I don't see how the timing is going to work out.

Bush only has two years left in office, and even assuming there's a case for impeachment, it's going to take time to investigate. Clinton was investigated continuously for six years before the Starr report came out, and then it took another six months for the impeachment process to run.

Even so, I think an investigation would be a good idea. The White House has clearly been less-than-honest about what's happening in Iraq. They've been telling us that the insurgency is "in it's last throes" and that things will somehow work out if we "stay the course". But, as Amy pointed out,

If [Iraqi citizens] appear to have supported the war effort, they will be targeted and killed after the withdrawl. They know this. The rest will change their alliance to sympathy for the insurgency. What choice will they have?

...and, in fact, the killings have already started escalating. We just don't have enough force to protect the Iraqi people, and we've got maybe another six months before things descend into total anarchy.

An investigation would tell us what's really happening, and give us some idea of what needs to be done. I think we can still win in Iraq if we institute a draft and increase the number of troops by a factor of 10-20.

That's if we're lucky. It could be that things have already deteriorated too far to prevent Iraq from collapsing. Or it could be that the American people have been so soured by all the lies that they refuse to support a draft.

In that case, all we can do is pull the troops to the border and hope that we can keep the violence contained until things stabilize. Obviously we'll offer asylum to as many Sunni refugees as we can, but it'll still be an ugly business.

In that context, I think impeachment would be a joke. If it comes out that the war was started under false pretenses, then I think justice can only come from the criminal courts. (By which I mean that the criminals should be extradited to Iraq to stand trial there.) I dunno. I hope an investigation shows that the war was an honest mistake.

highboy said...

"The reasoning behind it makes sense, since it is thought that Republican turnout will be lackluster this year due to lacking support for Bush as president"

The Republicans are all talk. Those that claim they won't vote in this election, I think you'll find, will show up and vote regardless. I'm one of them. I've been talking about sitting out elections back and forth for a few years now, but could never bring myself not to vote. Those that are not happy with the GOP or the administration are even less happy about a democratic Congress.

"As for investigating Bush's actions, surely a president as great as he is doesn't fear accountability in front of the American people"

Of course not. Bush has no reason to be afraid. He broke no laws, and didn't lie to the American public, under oath or not. Even if the opinion that the war in Iraq was a mistake turned out to be true, it would only prove that Bush is stupid, not a criminal.

cranky old fart said...

Mazement,

"I think we can still win in Iraq if we institute a draft..."

"Or it could be that the American people have been so soured by all the lies that they refuse to support a draft"

A draft? Like that is, or ever was, a serious possibility.

You want to end the Iraq madness? Institute a draft.

Hell, Bush knows that ANY call for sacrifice at home would bring his crusade crashing down around his large ears.

Bush asking soccer moms to sacrifice the very lives of their own children?

Ya gotta be joking.

creeper said...

"Bush has no reason to be afraid. He broke no laws, and didn't lie to the American public, under oath or not. Even if the opinion that the war in Iraq was a mistake turned out to be true, it would only prove that Bush is stupid, not a criminal."

Then who but a deluded paranoid fool should give a hoot about some secret so-called "plan" (speculations of which are based on failed resolutions and some half-assed grassroots efforts) to impeach Bush?

If he didn't do anything wrong, there's nothing to worry about. You have to have impeachable offenses to have an impeachment (though that bar has been lowered to a worrying extent...).

The timing issue raised by mazement is salient enough, though I think it is trumped by Bush being a sitting duck as it is.

Why should the Democrats expend whatever political capital might be available on an attempt to impeach a president who is massively disliked as it is? With Clinton it made sense because in his second term he was very popular, and something had to be done to thwart him. With Bush, his second term is a washout and it makes more sense to let Bush sit out the term and face the consequences of his actions.

highboy said...

"Then who but a deluded paranoid fool should give a hoot about some secret so-called "plan" (speculations of which are based on failed resolutions and some half-assed grassroots efforts) to impeach Bush?"

Did you ever consider that radar is not worried (neither am I) and just wrote this post because it interested him? It interests me, even if there is nothing to worry about. It shows the level of hatred Dems have for Bush.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I think Democrats are furious with Bush. Hate? Some, maybe. Steaming mad at? Absolutely. Mostly we're angry that so much promise has been wasted, so much corruption has gone unchecked.

I don't think impeachment proceedings are really on the Democratic agenda. We have to fix this nation and there's little time left.

highboy said...

"Mostly we're angry that so much promise has been wasted, so much corruption has gone unchecked."

Like the Murtha Abscam scandal for instance.

oriolebird38 said...

I don't think this post "just interests" Radar. I think Radar is making a case that A will produce B, (a = Democrat Congress, b = Bush Impeachment) and using that to convince people that therefore they should not vote Democrat.

And thus, we must ask if such an attack is feasible. And I believe that every rational human being in the US right now doesn't think Bush should be, or will be, impeached. As bad of a job I think he's done, The Constitution doesn't say that someone can be impeached for "not doing that good of a job according to 60% of the country."

Like cranky said, I think the whole spooky democratic majority idea is tired. You can't run a campaign or go anywhere with a "but beware the other guy!" stance. Just ask John Kerry.

creeper said...

What oriolebird said.

Hawkeye® said...

I'm with you Radar. They can talk all they want to about how nobody wants to impeach Bush, but I think you're right. Those Demdonks in the leadership are SOOOO vitriolic and bitter... they want blood!

And they don't care about what the American people think or want. They don't care about how our country will look to the rest of the world. They don't care about anything but power...

That's pretty evident from the way they've acted the last 3 years.

Anonymous said...

Holy crap, Hawkeye, who are you describing? If you don't think you're talking about Republicans you've got a screw loose. "They don't care about how our country will look to the rest of the world. They don't care about anything but power"?? Sorry buddy, but you need to get your head out of your rubbish hole and look around. Thanks to Bush and his rubber-stamp congress the world sees us as without morals and unwilling to commit enough resources (read: guns, money and troops) to get a single thing finished (OBL: captured dead or alive or living happy and fat-on-the-land?) Who's willing to commit voter fraud (push-polling, letters to immigrant), cover up crimes (Delay, Foley) and blatantly lie to the American people (um - Iraq was part of 9/11?) to hold power? Any political body that would sell us out on Habeas -- NO MATTER THE THREAT to country -- is weak, fearful and unable to fight the long, good battle. Thank God we didn't have this self-serving, money-grubbing bunch of chicken-hawks during WWII (which, by the way, we won in less time than we've already been failing in Iraq). You really need to wake up.

And as for Impeachment -- it's a waste of time, not that it isn't deserved. Bush took 7 minutes to process that "America is under attack." Pathetic. If your wife was told your child had been in an accident and then just sat there, disinterested in taking action, unmotivated to find out if your kid was OK or needed her help -- you'd stand for that? How can you accept a president who can't even _get off his ass_ when he's told our beloved country is under attack? Patriotism is questioning THIS government.

highboy said...

"Who's willing to commit voter fraud (push-polling, letters to immigrant),"

What voter fraud? You have proof of this I presume? I'd respond to more, but this is the only ridiculous claim that caught my attention. The rest of your comment is just more liberal talking points, devoid of any reality.

Anonymous said...

Have you heard about HR 333? I urge you and your readers to take a few minutes to look at:

http://www.usalone.com/cgi-bin/transparency.cgi?paper=1&qnum=pet45

It's a list of the 25 most recent comments made by real Americans participating in an online poll/letter-writing campaign concerning the impeachment charges recently filed against Vice President Cheney, which are now being evaluated by the House Judiciary Committee. Comments can be sent to elected representatives and local newspapers at your option. The participation page is at:

http://www.usalone.com/cheney_impeachment.php

Since this campaign began, three members of Congress have signed on as co-sponsors, in part due to hearing from their constituents. Make your voice heard, and let others know!