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Saturday, March 15, 2008

An Obamanation

It looked like, for awhile, that the USA was about to become an Obama Nation: Barack Obama is still leading the way in Democratic delegates and many folks are continuing to buy his hope and change messages. But it is all a bunch of hokum.

We've been treated to the kinds of messages his long-time pastor and mentor preaches from the pulpit in the church Barack has attended for over twenty years. It is a message of hatred for America and white people and a twisting of the gospel into a humanistic anti-Christian self determinism program. I won't bore you by repeating all the garbage that Wright consistently spews. But I guarantee you this: A real Christian wouldn't sit and listen to that kind of preaching for twenty minutes, let alone twenty years!

Barack has claimed he wasn't aware of all that the aforementioned Wright was saying and yet there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Radio talk show hosts had pointed out the Wright rhetoric back in 2006 and in early 2007, Shawn Hannity of Hannity and Colmes revealed much of the same and even managed to get an interview with Wright, one that revealed the "reverend" to be a preacher of division and neo-marxist liberation theology. Those of us who actually follow the Bible know that the Bible teaches that if you teach any other gospel (than the Gospel of Christ) you are to be cursed.

Galatians 1:8-10
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."

Barack Obama's mealy-mouthed equivocations over Jeremiah Wright continue to this day. He still hasn't left that church! Is this the kind of stuff you want your children listening to as supposedly coming from a man of God? Of course not! Wright is just a hate-monger trying to leverage bitterness and anger into enthusiasm for his black-centric ultra left wing philosophies.

So we begin to get a clearer picture of Obama:
1) He has attended an America-hating racist so-called church for over 20 years and seemingly enjoyed the experience.
2) He has refused previously to disassociate himself from one of the darlings of his church, Louis Farrakhan.
3) He received 250 grand in campaign contributions from the dirty slumlord of the hour in Illinois, Tony Rezko. Rezko helped Obama buy a house at a $325,000 discount after Rezko's efforts to obtain a 14 million-dollar housing project were recommended by none other than Obama himself. Obama now calls this "a boneheaded mistake" while most of us would call it fraud.
4) He considers Weather Undergound terrorist William Ayers a friend and mentor.
5) Barack will not deign to wear an American flag on his lapel and often chooses to ignore the Pledge of Allegiance.
6) News reporters spotted a Che Guevera flag in a Barack Obama campaign headquarters in Houston earlier this year.

Truth is, Barack Obama is just another Chicago Machine politician, nothing new here. He is sizzle but not steak...and what steak there is? Unpalatable. Unless you consider this kind of rhetoric to comprise "change.'

The US government invented the AIDS virus to kill off black people
Hilary Clinton hates black people
The USA asked for and deserved the attack on 9/11
The US government builds jails specifically to house black people
White people continue to exploit the black race
America should be spelled Amerikkka
God D**n America!
and on and on...

Did Obama know this kind of rhetoric was par for the Jeremiah Wright course? Yes!

Did he therefore lie to the public in his interview with Major Garrett? Yes!

Victor Davis Hanson adds:

Race and the Democrats, Part IV [Victor Davis Hanson]

—The modified hang-out, and the modified modified hangout

Despite the serial profession of a new politics, there is something Nixonian about Obama's recent disclaimers over his racist pastor's diatribes. At first he tried to blame the messenger:

"Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor.”

The problem is not cherries, Senator, but an entire orchard. The most egregious slurs are not from two decades past, but post 9/11 and especially in 2006. And Obama should have learned from Nixon that when there is something there, it is best to get out in front of it in a manner that anticipates more disturbing revelations. Yet the modified hangout then followed;

"It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS."

This is a de facto defense of, not a distancing from, Wright, and begs the question of why? And the AIDs evocation is especially damning since the reverend has made it clear that HIV was our own creation, apparently part and parcel of some US government conspiracy. Is Obama now suggesting that Wright did important civic work with AIDs even though he promulgated a belief that the virus was fabricated by our own government? And then comes the modified modified hangout:

"But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church."

That makes it even worse, because now Obama hints that he might have been in fact aware of the Wright rhetoric, but gave him a pass because he was “on the verge of retirement,” as if the albatross were about to disappear anyway, and with it the cause of prior embarrassment. And the evocation of his marriage and his children’s baptisms in such an extremist landscape should not be cited as reasons to stay in it, but rather should have been evoked as causes why he should get out—and not have his family further tainted by it. And it goes on and on: (read on)



Could you possibly vote for Barack Obama after all this has come out?

20 comments:

Taxandrian said...

radar said:

Radio talk show hosts had pointed out the Wright rhetoric back in 2006 and in early 2007, Shawn Hannity of Hannity and Colmes revealed much of the same and even managed to get an interview with Wright, one that revealed the "reverend" to be a preacher of division and neo-marxist liberation theology.

Careful now, Radar. Referring to Sean Hannity as some kind of 'authority' on exposing 'racists' or 'anti-whites' really doesn't do your credibility any good:

Hannity Still Has Not Denounced His White Supremacist Pal Yet Continues To Attack Obama Because His Pastor Associates With Louis Farrakhan

Oh, and in case you wonder: no, I won't vote for Obama. Not for any candidate in fact.

radar said...

There is a big difference between an "ad hominem" attack and the fuss over Wright. Casting aspersions on Hannity and not his message is an "ah" attack that avoids the issue. The focus on Wright is not to attack a person, but to point out a viewpoint. The idea that Obama admired this person and sat under his preaching for twenty years means he generally agrees with him or that he thinks such rhetoric isn't nasty enough to notice. Either way, the decision made is not the kind I want a President to be making.

If a guy endorses you or even appears on stage with you and later on you find out he says bizarre stuff, you can condemn the commments and move on. When you live with it for twenty years and appoint the guy to a position of guidance in your campaign, you have tacitly endorsed his views and a few statements won't change it.

Taxandrian said...

Radar, am I correct in understanding that you are defending Sean Hannity?

Did you read the article? Did you follow all the links?

You can find some more information here

I really, really hope that if you're so bent on attacking Obama, you are also prepared to condemn Hannity. It would surely be the consequent thing to do.

radar said...

You are incorrect, I am not only not defending Hannity, I am not even concerned about him. He isn't running for President. The only reason I mentioned him is because he and Alan Colmes managed to get Jeremiah Wright to agree to an interview, which I have watched a couple of times already. I have also watched numerous film clips of Wright doing his so-called "preaching" and so I am not calling on Hannity to tell me anything - I can see and hear for myself.

Back to the point, which is that Barack Obama cannot be the man he has pretended to be and have attended that church for twenty years at the same time. It doesn't compute.

chaos_engineer said...

This is one of the odd side-effects of allowing religion to mingle with politics.

We expect preachers to be kind of fiery. A good preacher is a passionate advocate for change, not a wishy-washy defender of the status quo.

Sometimes they get carried away with their rhetoric and go a little bit overboard. Rev. Wright says that God allowed the World Trade Center to be destroyed as punishment for America's mistreatment of black people. Rev. Jerry Falwell (who's on good terms with Sen. McCain) says that God allowed the World Trade Center to be destroyed as punishment for America's refusal to mistreat gay people and feminists.

Harsh words, but they're in good company. Even in the Bible, you can see prophets saying that God allowed Israel to be conquered at various times as punishment for various specified sins.

(Of course, the truth is that God is completely impotent when it comes to preserving nations or even buildings. You can prove this yourself at home by building a house of cards and using a stop watch to time how long it takes to collapse while you're praying or blaspheming.)

Preachers don't make good politicians. We don't want politicians to be too fiery and passionate; we want them to be calm and think things through.

That's why Sen. Obama has denounced Rev. Wright's excesses. It's also why Sen. McCain will denounce Rev. Falwell's excesses if anybody from the corporate-owned press ever gets around to asking him.

So, why don't politicians just quit hanging around with preachers? Well, right now it's really hard to get elected if you're perceived as "not religious enough". Maybe someday that'll change, but until then politicians have to work within the system.

radar said...

1) John McCain did blast Falwell
2) That is old news, but so is Falwell, who is kind of DEAD now
3) Wright is way beyond fiery. God D**n America? We invented AIDS to kill black people? We are as bad as Al Queda, etc? Give me a break!

Taxandrian said...

So, Radar, I presume your next article will attack John McCain because of his connection with the hateful, radical and anti-Catholic preacher John Hagee?

The McCain-Hagee Connection

More on McCain/Hagee ...


Surely you wouldn't want people to vote for a person who takes pride in being endorsed by a minister who makes hateful remarks towards your Catholic fellow-christians, as well as other groups?

chaos_engineer said...

1) Sen. McCain did call Rev. Falwell an "agent of intolerance" and "an evil influence" back in 2000, but he flip-flopped in 2006.

2) Rev. Falwell was just one member of a larger movement. Sen. McCain didn't just reconcile with Rev. Falwell; he was trying to reconcile himself with that movement as a whole.

3) That's pretty standard rhetoric for Christian preachers. In this context, "God damn America" should be interpreted as "God danm America's ruling class". Christians are never happy with the ruling class, and for good reason! (Obviously the reasons vary; some preachers emphasize the persecution of minorities, others emphasize abortion and the UN.) They do get carried away with the rhetoric sometimes.

That said, "The government created AIDS" is a ridiculous urban legend, and Rev. Wright isn't doing anybody any favors by spreading it. I can see why he believes it. ("Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male", 1932-1972) But he really ought to have done some basic investigation before he jumped to a conclusion. It's the sort of thing that ought to be denounced, and Sen. Obama did the right thing by condemning it.

Of course, this doesn't mean that Rev. Wright is pure unmitigated evil. I gather that he says a lot of sensible things, and that he's built up a large church that's done a lot of good in the community. I'd love to see some more balanced coverage from the corporate-owned press. So far all I'm seeing are cherry-picked excerpts of the very worst things he's said over the past 20 years.

radar said...

Keep trying to change the subject, guys...

John Hagee might support John McCain, but McCain doesn't go to his church, call him his spiritual guide and hasn't been a loyal follower of his for twenty years! Nor is Hagee accused of hating his country.

You cannot compare the two situations. It is like the difference between going out on a date with a girl and having been married to her for years. There is no comparison.

Barack has given his speech and he still defends this terrible hate-monger Wright. Looks like he will still attend the church. God help us if this man makes it to the White House!

radar said...

chaos, I don't know what kind of preachers you have been listening to, but typically they do not rail against "the ruling class" at all. The battle is between good and evil and most particularly within ourselves. I have been to all sorts of different churches without being assaulted by a sermon such as the kind Wright comes up with.

The gospel is about Jesus changing lives and the battle is about taking Jesus to the world. Real Christians don't focus on whether their neighbor has a bigger home than they do, they focus on whether their neighbor will have a home in heaven.

Real Christians don't cry over whether someone else is rich, they give money to help the poor.

Real Christians have their first focus on eternal matters, not temporal things like who has a better job.

It is for darn sure that real Christians don't care about race or shoe size or how big your paycheck is...people matter because God made them all, in every color and shape and size. God didn't call us to whine about things that happened 100 years ago and you won't find a passage in the Bible where we are told to blame others for our problems.

Jesus was a Jew, and Jews were second-class citizens in the Roman empire. Many of his fellow Jews followed Him because they wanted Him to overthrow Rome and put the Jews in charge. Jeremiah Wright would fit into that crowd, railing about Rome and trying to whip crowds into a hateful frenzy. But Jesus was not there to be concerned about who was top dog and who was underdog. He came to make a way for all of us to be able to be God's own, not simply by birth by by choice, by spiritualy renewal, by a sea-change within.

The Jeremiah Wright's of this world create an us-versus-them mentality, promote the racial divide, build resentments among people and generally ignore the message of Christ.

I am a lay preacher who has preached in pulpits in churches and assemblies and regularly teaches teenagers at my church. I have attended dozens of churches over the years and been a part of many regional and nationwide conferences. Yes, I have spoken at a couple of black churches and have attended a couple of churches that were marvelously mixed by racial composition. I have never had to listen to the kind of garbage that Wright passes out and it is a shame that those people in that congregation get that kind of mess and believe they are hearing from God.

chaos_engineer said...

Well, I guess we could argue back and forth about what the "real" Christianity is. There's a long tradition of fighting against injustice, but there's also a long "Divine Right of Kings" tradition where you're just supposed to sit idly by and wait for God to do something about injustice.

But really it's not important. I think Sen. Obama did a pretty good job of distancing himself from Rev. Wright's rhetoric in his speech this week. Even Mike Huckabee admitted that he had a point!

So I hope that's put an end to these ridiculous rumors that Sen. Obama is some kind of secret racist who secretly hates America. I won't ask you to vote for him, because I know you don't agree with him on the issues. But it would be fun to debate the real issues instead of seeing which side can invent the most far-fetched swiftboatery.

radar said...

Chaos, you are probably not familiar with "Liberation Theology" but, in fact, it is not theology at all. Real Christianity fights against injustice and if you know your history you know that Christians were on the front lines in the battles not only to end slavery but to put an end to Jim Crow. Liberation Theology is more in line with the New Black Panther Party than it is with Jesus Christ.

People like Wright believe that their religion is a struggle against white people and the capitalistic system. If you scratch the surface of "LT" you get communism/socialism. He believes and preaches that Jesus was a black man who was struggling to attain freedom and riches for the oppressed masses from the white masters.

No offense, but you have to know theology to some extent to immediately see the vast differences, because "LT" proponents like to use much of the same terminology that ordinary Christians use, they just don't mean the same things to them. Trinity United equates Jesus with slavery reparations and enforced socialism and racial quota systems and all that kind of junk that the Louis Farrakhans of the world seek.

I need to write a post on this and will this weekend to clarify.

Taxandrian said...

Radar, why not simply be honest and tell the truth:

Obama = democrat = bad
McCain = republican = good

Because that's what it all boils down to, isn't it?

Come on now, Radar, tell it like it is.:P

radar said...

"Radar, why not simply be honest and tell the truth:

Obama = democrat = bad
McCain = republican = good

Because that's what it all boils down to, isn't it?

Come on now, Radar, tell it like it is.:P"


Wow, at least read the post before you respond. Read the one above it, too. Your comment is totally without substance or merit. Other than that, it is wonderful! :p

Taxandrian said...

Radar said:

Wow, at least read the post before you respond. Read the one above it, too. Your comment is totally without substance or merit. Other than that, it is wonderful!

I must admit, it is not nearly as wonderful as your concession.
Of course you now realise now, that it's exactly because of those posts that I typed that response.
Thanks for the wonderfully honest reply, Radar! You may now continue with your Obama-bashing. :p

radar said...

Concession? Apparently my subtle sarcasm was too subtle for you to grasp. Let me be more clear...Taxandrian, your comment was completely ludicrous and totally off the mark, and seemingly was made by someone who didn't even read the post.

There, is that better? That should cover it. Thanks!

Taxandrian said...

Radar said:

Concession? Apparently my subtle sarcasm was too subtle for you to grasp.

LOL, come on now, Radar. Even you must realise it now.

Again: thanks for the concession.

radar said...

http://publiuspundit.com/2008/03/barack_obama_boldfaced_liar.php

radar said...

http://publiuspundit.com/2008/03/barack_obama_
boldfaced_liar.php

radar said...

another ungodly "pastor" supporting Obama and associated with him...http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/03/father-
michael-pfleger-obama-mentor.html