Friday, February 13, 2009
Tax said - (me)You will have to show us evidence of multi-mutation evolution that adds rather than subtracts from or simply utilizes preexisting information within the DNA.(end me)
(tax)Why does IAMB have to do this? Seelke's article (to which IAMB replied), nowhere states that it's necessary for evolution to 'add information'. It's only about adding functions, and IAMB clearly showed that multi-mutation evolution IS indeed possible and DOES occur.
But if you insist; could you please explain WHY it's necessary for evolution to 'add information' within the DNA to be possible?
Also, could you clearly define the term 'information'?
I previously posted three articles concerning bacterial studies. The studies as a group are evidence that evolution has been observed NOT to occur. I already explained why in a previous comment.
1) Multiple thousands of generations of bacteria have failed to evolve into anything other than bacteria.
2) The relatively few mutations that were not deadly to the organisms were usually deleterious in nature and often could not be passed on.
3) Some mutations gave the organism abilities not normally possessed as a result of a loss of an ability or system functionality. This would make the specific organism less viable in a wide variety of conditions but more viable in one specific situation.
4) Mutation mistakes never occurred in tandem. One mutation at a time might survive but multiple mutations that combined to act together were never found.
5) No new systems were produced. The gene pool would either be altered or decreased rather than increased.
Long story short, speciation involving loss of genetic material might be observed in bacterial populations but not evolution. Not macroevolution, in any case. The reason is that we do not see more information introduced into the genes, but degradation of information. So let us talk about why that is important.
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
1: the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence
2 a (1): knowledge obtained from investigation, study, or instruction (2): intelligence , news (3): facts , data b: the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects c (1): a signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data (2): something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct d: a quantitative measure of the content of information ; specifically : a numerical quantity that measures the uncertainty in the outcome of an experiment to be performed
So information is a form of the transmission of intelligence or data. DNA is certainly right smack in the middle of the definition of information. Unbiased observers would therefore conclude that DNA was the product of design and therefore a designer. But the majority of the scientific community is biased and ignore the obvious.
However, DNA is packed full of information and that information tells an organism how to grow and what to grow into among other things. Mutations must be passed along to descendants in the DNA in order for the mutation to become part of the gene pool of organisms.
Thousands of generations of bacteria have failed to add information to the gene pool. Bacteria have not developed legs or arms or eyeballs or necks or wings or nose hairs or...well, they just haven't done anything but kept on being bacteria, occasionally with mistakes.
Mistakes have an impact. If I have a playing card factory and we keep on pumping out fifty-two card decks in perfect order, that is what we want. That is also what usually happens with bacteria, the same thing generation after generation. But suppose there is a glitch in the machinery and my factory begin producing decks with two aces of spades and no aces of hearts. It would sure change the way games like Rummy worked and probably cause fights during poker games. But they would still be cards, just different. No way would such a mistake explain where the factory came from, or the ingredients to make the paper that was made into card stock. No way does a mistake like that shed light on the card design, the inks, the reason for their very existence. Yet when bacteria present the equivalent of a missing card from a deck of cards or two when there ought to be one, evolutionists claim they have evidence that explains the very existence of cards themselves. Nonsense!
Guess what, if one of the aces of spades is missing from a pinochle deck, that will certainly mean a change in function in the game. Let's specifically address three handed pinochle. A run in spades will be far more rare but, if you have one, you are statistically more likely to control trump in your suit that a run will give you in any other suit. (A run is ace king queen jack ten). You will have five out of eleven rather than five out of twelve, and your first two leads cannot be beaten. There will only be two hole cards rather than three, so the bidder's chances of filling a run or a double pinochle or any other meld requirement from the hole cards will be reduced 50%, which will radically alter bidding. Wise players would take fewer bidding chances, the ace and tens of spades will have more value and there will be one less point card available to win. Yes, there would be a big change in many functionalities in the game of three handed pinochle by simply removing one card. But is information added? Is any explanation for the advent of cards produced? No.
Evolutionists may claim that functions are being added in the bacteria population, but actually information is being lost and/or degraded and even that mostly with artificial outside help from the observing scientists. If I removed the silencer from a handgun then I would be "adding" the function of making a big noise but in fact I would be subtracting from the weapon. If I poke a hole in a rowboat I would be "adding" a leak. If I saw off the end of a shotgun I would be "adding" to the rapidity of the shot spread pattern. If I take the lid off of the garbage pail I will "add" to the complexity of the smells identifiable to the human olfactory system.
Maybe you think of your body as a kind of organic factory. Wrong. Your body is made up of billions and billions of organic components. One human cell is far more complex than the biggest factory in your town. There are thousands of operations taking place in your cells every minute. Every system, every operation and every component is an example of information. Where did it come from? Experiments on bacteria show that it doesn't come from natural selection working through mutations.
Funny thing, we have this vast amount of money invested in the SETI project and all of those dishes and sensors are focused on a wide spectrum of emissions from outer space looking for one thing...information. They are looking for a sign of organization in a universe in which energy is being continually converted to entropy. Things are running downhill, getting less organized, falling apart, exploding, getting cold. If we turned SETI towards earth, we would be amazed by the signs of intelligence not just in humanity, but in everything organic! That is, if we (the majority of the scientific community) weren't religious zealots adamantly dedicated to hiding the truth in the name of almighty HUMANISM.
Think about it...if you fly across a dense forest and suddenly see a clearing with rows of plants, you know someone cleared the trees away, prepared the ground and planted the plants. Information. Data. Planning. Organization. Intelligence. We know it when we see it.
Information causes events that fly in the face of the laws of thermodynamics. A tornado will not go through a junkyard and assemble a jet airplane, but it will take partially junked automobiles and tear them to shreds. Information flows from intelligence. Guess what? The passing of time has no intelligence. Minerals and molecules have no intelligence.
Therefore what happens in populations of bacteria fits into the creation model. God created bacteria with a huge amount of information within their genetic makeup, allowing for the organism to adjust to changing and widely varying conditions. There are so many tens of thousands of varieties of bacteria they are beyond counting. In numbers, there are so many bacteria on the planet that the number is too big to really absorb. Something along the line of 1x 10 to the 30th but that would be conservative. Plenty of different kinds to fill every purpose bacteria can fill.
Evolutionists like to say that similar structures indicate lines of evolutionary heritage. I know plenty of people who find shows like "Morphed" to be remarkably hilarious (T Rex becomes a Turkey, hahahahaha)! But in fact God designed many varieties of bacteria with all sorts of choices within the genetic code to fill every need. He designed animals and plants of differing kinds to fill specific roles within the biosphere. More than one kind of animal is useful for food and milk and eggs. More than one kind helps recycle carrion. More than one kind spreads seed around the planet, more than one kind helps spread pollen. The "higher" animals have so many incredibly complex structures that it is entirely laughable to believe that they evolved from a mythical single-cell first living creature. (It is laughable to think that a living thing just happened to happen by itself as well).
In any event, thousands upon thousands of bacteria have proven that macroevolution does NOT happen in bacteria populations. Speciation does, which is simple variation within kind. Macroevolution has not been observed in any variety of plant or animal ever. No new systems or organs have ever been observed. We HAVE observed deletions within the gene pool, extinctions of animals both recent (Dodo and Carrier Pigeon) and not-so-recent (Like the Stegosaurus). Just as mountains are eroded and faces wrinkle with time, so do gene pools get damaged with mutations and some populations become isolated and eliminated. Yet so many kinds of animals exist with so many choices within their DNA that life just keeps on keeping on. Mammoths are gone, but we still have elephants. Dire wolves are gone, wolves remain. There are still all sorts of pigeons and doves, still plenty of flightless birds...because God is a great designer.
When you design aircraft, you design redundancies into the aircraft so that there are alternate systems to replace those that fail and manual controls to replace motorized controls and hydraulics. There are ways to escape multiple problems designed into the craft, designed and then built to specifications that allow the crew to handle a host of possible problems. Pilots are trained with realistic simulators to deal with all varieties of emergencies. Also, many of the design features of aircraft are similar whether made by Airbus or Boeing or Lockheed or whoever. Every single aircraft ever made was built from a blueprint, several blueprints in fact.
God designed life with lots of redundancies not only within kinds but also with more than one kind of animal that can fulfill the same places in the ecosystem. Many animal kinds have a reasonable amount of intelligence to help them make choices about their environment. Many of the design features of life are similar and they all have their DNA blueprint.
As soon as we see airplanes designing and building themselves, we will see life evolving on earth.
Then again, some people think aliens brought life here from another planet? But that is another subject.