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Wednesday, March 07, 2012

Kirk Cameron is right to defend traditional beliefs and values, as Jonathan Sarfait makes crystal clear!

Recently Kirk Cameron was criticized for defending the Bible stance concerning homosexuality and abortion.

Kirk Cameron defends himself after anti-gay remarks

Posted Mar 07, 2012 @ 09:13 AM
Excerpt
"LOS ANGELES —

Kirk Cameron, who has drawn gales of criticism for comments against homosexuality made to Piers Morgan on CNN on Friday, spoke his mind again Tuesday, calling on those demanding tolerance from him to exhibit tolerance of their own.

“I should be able to express moral views on social issues,” he told ABC News via email, “especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years — without being slandered, accused of hate speech, and told from those who preach ’tolerance’ that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square.”

He called for learning how to debate such issues “with greater love and respect.”

In addition to homosexuality in general, the former “Growing Pains” actor had expressed his views against gay marriage and abortion. Of homosexuality, he’d said, “I think that it’s unnatural, I think that it’s detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

Piers Morgan, speaking with TMZ, said Cameron was “pretty brave to say what he said. ... It’s, many would argue, an antiquated view about many of these issues.

“I felt that he was honest to what he believed, and I don’t think he was expecting the furor that it created.”
Celebs coming to Cameron’s defense have been few and far between, though fellow evangelical Steven Baldwin on Saturday tweeted, “GREAT JOB Kirk !!! Let’s pray one day Piers Morgan finds true Salvation, God Bless!”

Even Elizabeth Hasselbeck, conservative voice on “The View,” noted that “I don’t agree with him there at all” before adding, “I do believe that the beauty of this nation is that he can, upon being asked, or of his free will, stand up and say what he believes.” Co-host Joy Behar finally agreed that Cameron had a right to free speech, but said she thought he should “just shut up.”

(Radar says, "You first, Joy!")

Cameron’s rep told ABCNews.com Monday that the actor was “thankful for thousands of emails and comments that he’s received from those who value the freedom to express one’s beliefs.”..."

You can go read the entire thing if you like by following the link.

Hmmm.  We are already to the point that expressing your First Amendment rights need to be defended and protected?  Yep.   The absolutely relentless attack on the standard moral values of the United States led by liberal elitists is backed by huge amounts of money and disseminated by big outfits like ABC TV and the Huffington Post.   Your grandparents would be ashamed of you people!    You people?   Yes, you who try to force homosexual practices into the face of the public in an attempt to declare it normative rather than what it is, which is sinful.   You who try to defend the murder of babies so their mothers could avoid some inconvenience?   Yes, you people who apparently know nothing about how the USA was built and what standards were once considered normal for, oh, about 2,000 years or so?  

I've said it before and will no doubt say it again.   Homosexuality is wrong and a sin, it is not just a practice, it is a sexual addiction.   We cannot just say every urge a person has must be declared normative and legal.   So homosexuals want to sin?   They can do it in private and quit sticking it in everyone's face!   Maybe the guy down the street wants to steal my car.  Is that okay?  Maybe the married woman next door wants to have sex with your 13-year-old son.   Is that fine with you?   She may tell you that it is her urge and it is the way she is, she is attracted to young boys.    Guess what?   I love muscle cars but I do not think anyone is going to pass a law allowing me to steal the next Chevelle 396 SS I lay my eyes on, do you? 

Evolution/Darwinism/Naturalism is the basis of these liberal and ungodly attitudes, as will be presented in a later post.   

NAMBLA is doing all they can to try to normalize homosexuality so that pedophiles can then claim that their urges should be legalized.   Then comes sex with animals and dead bodies and so on and so forth.   You think not?   Look what is happening in the world of so-called medical "ethics."

Abortion ‘after birth’? Medical ‘ethicists’ promote infanticide

Published: 8 March 2012(GMT+10)
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‘Ethicists’ say that this baby may be killed.
‘Ethicists’ say that this baby may be killed.
We have often provided evidence for the full humanity of the unborn child right from conception (i.e. fertilization of egg by sperm). And while still in the womb, children develop the ability to feel pain and even to plan their future, and are considered to be patients. Individual life is a continuum from conception to natural death. Birth changes nothing intrinsically about the nature of that life, just location and mode of respiration (from placenta to lungs).

This is one vital matter on which to decide the abortion issue, because murder applies only to human victims, not to the removal of a tumor or wart. The evidence for the humanity of the unborn has thus convinced many that abortion is wrong, since they disapprove of murder.1 For the same reason, most pro-abortion politicians don’t even dare to admit that the baby is human; they lie about it being a ‘blob of cells’, or obfuscate about it with feigned ignorance about the nature of the unborn, and quips that the question of where life begins is ‘above my pay grade.’ Never mind that the onus of proof is on the pro-abortionists to show that it’s not human life. If we didn’t know whether a body was live or dead, we would never bury it—we would give the benefit of the doubt to life.

But the reason many people still oppose murder is ultimately due to God’s command, “Do not murder.” Even many people who disbelieve in God have still been influenced by the Judeo-Christian world view of the culture they were raised in, and oppose murder. That is, while their atheistic world view can’t provide a basis for ethics, they hijack what is to them a foreign world view.

Baby Steps video from American Life League: Using 4D ultrasounds, the film shows the baby in the womb from 8 weeks through to birth.





Consistent atheists and pagans

However, an increasing number of atheists are becoming more consistent. That is, they share with pro-lifers the correct belief that there is no real difference between born and unborn children. But their consistency moves in the opposite direction. Their callousness towards unborn life is extended to children already born. This should not be surprising for those who have abandoned the Judeo-Christian view of sanctity of innocent2 human life, and replaced it with an evolutionary ‘ethic’, if such a term is even meaningful.

Their advocacy of infanticide is hardly anything new. We have already written about the atheistic evolutionary philosopher Peter Singer. He is explicit:
On abortion, suicide, and voluntary euthanasia … we may think as we do because we have grown up in a society that was, for two thousand years, dominated by the Christian religion.3
On abortion, suicide, and voluntary euthanasia … we may think as we do because we have grown up in a society that was, for two thousand years, dominated by the Christian religion.—Peter Singer

We have also pointed out that the Nazi regime shared this evolution-inspired disregard for human life, and went horribly down the same slippery slope. Dr Leo Alexander (1905–1985) was a chief medical adviser at some of the Nuremberg trials of the Nazis. Alexander pointed out that the eugenics and euthanasia policies had “small beginnings … the acceptance of the attitude … that there is such a thing as life not worthy to be lived.” But after the camel had managed to get its nose into the tent, it wasn’t long before its whole body was in, and the human displaced. Alexander continued:
Gradually, the sphere of those to be included in this category was enlarged to encompass the socially unproductive, the ideologically unwanted, the racially unwanted and finally all non-Germans. But it is important to realize that the infinitely small wedged-in lever from which this entire trend of mind received its impetus was the attitude toward the nonrehabilitable sick.4
Nazism was not just evolutionism, but also had a strong element of Teutonic paganism, although there were certainly plenty of overt atheists in the high echelons of the party (e.g. Martin Bormann, Baldur von Schirach, Alfred Rosenberg). Dr. A.J. Pennings wrote that Nazism grew out of “a deeply held mystical paganism … strengthened by the teachings of Darwinism and the pseudo-science of eugenics.”5 And one disturbing feature of their love for infanticide, as the late D. James Kennedy points out, was that:
“It was a dangerous thing for a baby to be conceived in classical Rome or Greece, just as it is becoming dangerous once more under the influence of the modern pagan. In those days abortion was rampant. Abandonment was commonplace: it was common for infirm babies or unwanted little ones to be taken out into the forest or the mountainside, to be consumed by wild animals or to starve or to be picked up by rather strange people who crept around at night, and then would use them for whatever perverted purposes they had in mind. Parents abandoned virtually all deformed babies. Many parents abandoned babies if they were poor. They often abandoned female babies because women were considered inferior.
Christianity expressly forbade infanticide, and prohibited Christian husbands from forcing their wives to kill their babies either by abortion or infanticide.
“To make matters worse, those children who outlived infancy—approximately two-thirds of those born—were the property of their father: he could kill them at his whim. Only about half of the children born lived beyond the age of eight, in part because of widespread infanticide, with famine and illness also being factors. Infanticide was not only legal: it was applauded.6,7
The Spartans and Romans were notorious for infanticide. The Romans also had the practice of paterfamilias, where fathers had the power of life and death over their children. Christianity expressly forbade infanticide, and prohibited Christian husbands from forcing their wives to kill their babies either by abortion or infanticide.
Back in biblical times, the pagan nations surrounding the new nation of Israel were vile idolators who sacrificed babies by fire to their god Moloch (Leviticus 18:21, 2 Chronicles 28:3, 33:6; Jeremiah 7:31, 19:2–6).

Only the Judeo-Christian sanctity of life ethic overcame all such abominations, which these latter-day pagans seem to want to revive.

More infanticide

Recently, we saw two more soi-disant ethicists argue for infanticide, again venturing on the same slippery slope as Singer, Obama, and the Nazis. Alberto Giubilini of Monash University (Melbourne, Australia) and Francesca Minerva of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics (UK),8 published a paper entitled, “After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?” And it was in the (grossly misnamed?) Journal of Medical Ethics. The abstract reads:
Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.
The ethical man knows he shouldn’t cheat on his wife, whereas the moral man actually wouldn’t.—Dr ‘Ducky’ Mallard, NCIS

One must wonder what passes for ‘ethics’ these days. In one of my favorite TV series NCIS, the character Dr Donald ‘Ducky’ Mallard (played by David McCallum) is asked to give, “In your own words, the difference between ethics and morals.” Ducky answers, “Well the ethical man knows he shouldn’t cheat on his wife, whereas the moral man actually wouldn’t.”9 But he evidently hadn’t met these ‘ethicists’, who, if they were consistent with their evolutionary world view, would not even have any basis for thinking they shouldn’t.

Similarly, moral and legal likewise don’t mean the same thing. Abortion is legal in most Western countries; killing the chronically disabled was legal in Nazi Germany (to say nothing of the state-sanctioned genocide of the Jews), but neither are moral. In the antebellum USA, the notorious US Supreme Court decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) upheld slavery and white supremacy as legal, justifying it by declaring that black people:
had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.10
 Atheopath and evolutionist, P.Z. Myers.
 Wikipedia - Vocal atheist and prominent evolutionist, P.Z. Myers.

Nope, birth is also arbitrary, and it has not been even a cultural universal 
that newborns are regarded as fully human. I’ve had a few. They weren’t.
P.Z. Myers, prominent evolutionist.

Critique

Let’s take each of their three reasons in turn.

1. The ‘personhood’ argument. I’ve noted before in an article critiquing legalized cloning that pro-abortionists are usually the ones who avoid the science, preferring instead vague quasi-religious comments about when, for example, a ‘person’ begins. Yet of course they “blast opposition to abortion as ‘religious’ (although it is in the sense that science can’t tell us it’s wrong to murder) when they are the ones appealing to religious concepts, while the pro-lifers point out scientific facts.”

Similarly, these ‘ethicists’ have decreed that somehow newborns are less than persons. So has the vocal atheopathic11 evolutionist P.Z. Myers, whom we have refuted before, saying:

“Nope, birth is also arbitrary, and it has not been even a cultural universal that newborns are regarded as fully human. I’ve had a few. They weren’t.12
Once again, he is being a consistent atheist, and also yearning for pagan times that regarded babies as disposable.
“The alleged right of individuals (such as fetuses and newborns) to develop their potentiality, which someone defends, is over-ridden by the interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being because, as we have just argued, merely potential people cannot be harmed by not being brought into existence. Actual people’s well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of. Sometimes this situation can be prevented through an abortion, but in some other cases this is not possible.”
Once again, slippery slope. Many of Nazi Germany’s arguments for euthanasia are very similar, as I’ve pointed out before:

Both Hitler and these ‘ethicists’ exhibit the same disregard for human life, because both accept the premise that there is such a thing as human ‘life not worthy of life’, which was the root of the Holocaust.
One book written four years before Mein Kampf (1924) and very much part of the German cultural milieu was Allowing the Annihilation of Life Unworthy of Life (Die Freigabe der Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens) 1920 by two evolutionists, lawyer Karl Binding (1841–1920) and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche (1865–1943). So it’s not surprising that Hitler’s tome said about such annihilation of unworthy life:
It will spare millions of unfortunates undeserved sufferings, and consequently will lead to a rising improvement of health as a whole.
There must be no half-measures. It is a half-measure to let incurably sick people steadily contaminate the remaining healthy ones. This is in keeping with the humanitarianism which, to avoid hurting one individual, lets a hundred others perish.
This is far from a “reductio ad Hitlerum” fallacy, although the infanticide defenders hate to see the comparison exposed. Rather, both Hitler and these ‘ethicists’ exhibit the same disregard for human life, because both accept the premise that there is such a thing as human ‘life not worthy of life’, which as Dr Leo Alexander said (see above) was the root of the Holocaust. Their only difference is which humans fall into this category.

2. Irrelevance of personhood: The ‘ethicists’ explain further:

Rebecca Kiessling: conceived by a brutal rape, and grateful that she was not executed for her father’s crime while in her mother’s womb; see her 
website.
Rebecca Kiessling: conceived by a brutal rape, and grateful that she was not executed for her father’s crime while in her mother’s womb; see her website.
“Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.”
Of course, pro-lifers have long reversed this argument using the same premises, as explained above. Because we don’t allow the execution of innocent life after birth, and there is nothing that intrinsically changes at birth, we should not allow it before birth. The same argument can be applied to opposing use of embryonic stem cells, but not ‘adult’ or somatic stem cells, which both avoid destroying tiny humans and actually produce cures.13 These ‘ethicists’ are going down the same slippery slope as the Nazis: because we allow some killing of human beings, we should allow more of the same.

Now with capital punishment, pro-lifers often receive comments like, “You are so hypocritical: you believe in sanctity of life before birth, but not after birth, because you don’t oppose war or capital punishment.” Actually, some pro-lifers do oppose these. But the main point is that the argument can be turned around on them: ‘You’re so hypocritical: you oppose the death penalty for the foulest mass murderers and killing to defend one’s life and country during war, but you support the death penalty for being ‘unwanted’ in your declared war on the unborn.’ Or as Rebecca Kiessling, conceived by a violent rape, asks, “Did I deserve the death penalty?” (for the crime of her father, who is even not subject to the death penalty in any state of the USA).

3. “Adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people”. Well, it’s certainly better for the baby than being torn apart in the mother’s womb or scalded with concentrated salt solution, or butchered after birth. There is also a good chance that the baby will be loved by two married parents and raised to be a productive member of society.

But these ‘ethicists’ don’t care about that. What they mean is that adoption is not necessarily the best option for the birth-mother, so it is sometimes preferable to kill the child. But this is actually a glaring contradiction of what has long been regarded as the epitome of wisdom, illustrating the great wisdom God had granted King Solomon at his selfless request (1 Kings 3:8–15).

The historical account continues (1 Kings 3:16–28) by explaining how two prostitutes came before the young king. They roomed together, and both gave birth to a son a few days apart. Unfortunately, one of them had accidentally laid on her baby and smothered him. The woman who discovered the dead child then claimed that it wasn’t hers, and must have been switched with her living child when she was asleep. All Solomon could see is two women fighting over one child.

His shocking solution was to order a sword, and say, “Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one and half to the other.” The response:
“Then the woman whose son was alive said to the king, because her heart yearned for her son, ‘Oh, my lord, give her the living child, and by no means put him to death.’ But the other said, ‘He shall be neither mine nor yours; divide him.’ Then the king answered and said, ‘Give the living child to the first woman, and by no means put him to death; she is his mother.’ And all Israel heard of the judgment that the king had rendered, and they stood in awe of the king, because they perceived that the wisdom of God was in him to do justice.”
neuroethics.ox.ac.uk
Julian Savulescu
Julian Savulescu
Solomon knew that any decent mother would rather give up her child for a sort of adoption than see him killed. But these latter-day philosophers, ostensibly ‘lovers of wisdom’14, have basically said that Solomon, and all his admirers throughout the ages, was wrong here: a mother would rather see her child killed than given up for adoption, the very characteristic of the false mother in the account. If the word hadn’t already been taken, I would have renamed ‘philosophers’ to ‘sophomores’, for the original meaning ‘wise fool’.15

Infanticidal intolerance

Unable to quit while they’re behind, the infanticide-lovers have now been defended by their editor Julian Savulescu. He accused opponents of being “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”, a threat to “academic discussion and freedom”, and practising “hate speech” and having “hostile, abusive, threatening responses”.16
 
But this should not be surprising; Savulescu is a former student of Peter Singer, so not surprisingly shares his utilitarian views. We have previously noted that Savulescu supports cloning babies for their body parts and aborting babies if the parents don’t like the sex (which ironically for pro-abort feminists, has resulted in far more baby girls killed than boys). He supports a number of other repugnant things:
  • “Breeding perfect babies”,17 i.e. eugenics, another direct fruit of Darwinism.
  • He argues that more evidence for the consciousness of patients in a “persistent vegetative state” means less reason to keep them alive.18
  • Consider how he advocates dealing with the very mentally disturbed patients suffering from the condition apotemnophilia, a desire to amputate perfectly healthy limbs. Instead of treating this hopefully temporary condition, he argues that amputation “might be desirable”, although permanently disabling.19
Savulescu has basically abandoned his utilitarian ethics to make a moral argument for the right to defend baby-butchery, and against criticism. And of course, the critics were exercising their free speech rights, which he doesn’t like.

Savulescu justifies his latest tirade against dissenters by saying that the pro-infanticide ideas “are not largely new” (as shown, this is not news to us either), and that “infanticide is practised in the Netherlands” (as it was in Sparta and Canaan—but that is not a reflection of how wonderful infanticide is, but how debased these nations are/were in this regard).

The irony apparently escapes him. He has basically abandoned his utilitarian ethics to make a moral argument for the right to defend baby-butchery, and against criticism. And of course, the critics were exercising their free speech rights, which Savulescu doesn’t like. It’s not the first time that those of his ilk really believe in ‘free speech for me but not for thee’—see The hypocrisy of intolerant tolerance.

Conclusion

This recent promotion of infanticide is just a logical outcome of an evolutionary world view. Far from being a progressive step forward, it’s really a regression to the world view of the Nazis and of the most debased pagans of antiquity—debasements cured by the Gospel. And such twisted ‘ethicists’ even lack the ability to think straight: they attack opponents as ‘threats to free speech’ when in reality they are merely exercising this right!

Related articles

Further reading

References

  1. See some dramatic examples of this in the new online video 180, produced by Ray Comfort, available from 180movie.com. Return to text.
  2. Here used in the original Latin sense of in-nocens = not harming, and thus not contrary to the doctrine of original sin. Return to text.
  3. Singer, P., Ethics and Intuitions, Journal of Ethics, 9:331–352, 2005; quote on p. 345. Return to text.
  4. Alexander, L., Medical science under dictatorship, New England Journal of Medicine 241(2):39–47, 1949 | doi:10.1056/NEJM194907142410201. Return to text.
  5. Pennings, Evening Post (8 March 1994), feature article. Dr Pennings lectures in Communications at Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand. Return to text.
  6. Kennedy, D.J., What If Jesus Had Never Been Born? 1994. Return to text.
  7. See also Muehlenberg, B., Worldviews and Baby-Killing, billmuehlenberg.com, 1 March 2012. Return to text.
  8. Both are from Italy, and recently obtained Ph.D.s in bioethics/philosophy from different Italian universities. Return to text.
  9. NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service, sound clips, moviesoundclips.net/sound.php?id=114. Return to text.
  10. en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford/Opinion_of_the_Court. Return to text.
  11. Leading misotheist (God-hater) Richard Dawkins often calls theistic religion a ‘virus of the mind’, which would make it a kind of disease or pathology, and parents who teach it to their kids are, in Dawkins’ view, supposedly practising mental child abuse. But the sorts of criteria Dawkins applies makes one wonder whether his own fanatical antitheism itself could be a mental pathology—hence, ‘atheopath’. Return to text.
  12. Newborn babies: not persons, and not fully human—P.Z. Myers, uncommondescent.com, 16 January 2011. Return to text.
  13. Sarfati, J., Stem cells and Genesis, Journal of Creation 15(3):19–26, 2001. Return to text.
  14. From Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), philosophy, from φιλέω (phileō), love (verb) and σοφία (sophia), wisdom. Return to text.
  15. From Greek σοφός (sophos), wise + μωρός (mōros), fool; whence we derive the word “moron”. Return to text.
  16. Muehlenberg, B., Opposing Baby-Killing Is Now ‘Hate Speech’, billmuehlenberg.com, 29 February 2012. Return to text.
  17. Muehlenberg, B., Those Unethical Ethicists, billmuehlenberg.com, 18 November 2008. Return to text.
  18. Kahane, G., and Savulescu, J., Brain Damage and the Moral Significance of Consciousness, Journal of Medicine and Philosophy 33:1–22, February 2009. Return to text.
  19. Cited in Cook, M., Time to throw in the towel, mercatornet.com, 8 September 2008. He rates Savulescu as even worse than his former teacher Singer, “leaving him in the dust.” Return to text.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. We are already to the point that expressing your First Amendment rights need to be defended and protected?

Hmmm....when did we start talking about the government infringing on Kirk Cameron's free speech (because that is what the 1st amendment protects us from)? Isn't criticizing someone else's speech exactly what is protected by the 1st amendment?

Radar, you are free to say stuff like this: Homosexuality is wrong and a sin, it is not just a practice, it is a sexual addiction. But when people come back and call this ridiculous, bigoted, antiquated, ignorant....that does not mean people are trying to infringe on your first amendment rights.

lava

radar said...

lava,

I say that promoting homosexuality is evil and many have a hidden agenda and it is legal for me to say it. However, the left is trying to make simply stating that homosexuality is a sin "hate speech" and they have already established "hate crimes" which is logically idiotic. How many love crimes do you know of?

People who practice homosexuality have much higher disease rates, more domestic violence and a much higher suicide rate.

The Bible and God say homosexuality is wrong. You say it is "ridiculous, bigoted, antiquated, ignorant" and you have the right to say that, too. But what you do not have is any evidence to back up what you say. Apparently you are just another brainwashed politically correct-o-bot?

You need to understand that the Bible does not tell me to hate homosexuals but to love them, which includes telling them that it is wrong. Crackheads need to be told their addiction is wrong and they need help to stop. Homosexuals need help to stop, too. I don't hate crackheads, either. But you need to understand that if the people behind this push to normalize homosexuality get their way, the LGBT and NAMBLA for instance, that sex with minors is next on the menu. You sure you are signed up for that?

Anonymous whatsit said...

"Hate crime" may not be the perfect term to describe it - "bias-motivated crime" is definitely better, but a bit too long.

Radar, are you in favor of permitting incitement to violence?

Anonymous whatsit said...

"The Bible and God say homosexuality is wrong. You say it is "ridiculous, bigoted, antiquated, ignorant" and you have the right to say that, too. But what you do not have is any evidence to back up what you say. Apparently you are just another brainwashed politically correct-o-bot?"

So where is the evidence that backs up what you say? Where is the evidence that homosexuality is "a sin", that it is "wrong"?

Are you just another brainwashed religi-o-bot...

Anonymous said...

Troll Post Alert!

News Flash: Christian Bigot has bigoted christian beliefs.

What, the paucity of comments on your last few posts have you scrambling for sensational ignorant bigoted material to post? Nailed it.

I don't understand how you are not getting this (stupid or lazy?) but homosexuality is not a choice so saying that it is "wrong" is like saying that being black is wrong, or a sin. Which is clearly a bigoted stance. And your "evidence" that homosexuality is wrong is the bible? Bible proving the bible? Again? Go fish.

And you further reveal your ignorance by comparing homosexuality to crack addiction and pedophilia. Sure hope none of those kids (or grand kids) of yours are gay. Imagine the guilt and hate you are piling on them, on a regular basis. It's not surprising that gay kids that grow up in homes like yours decide to kill themselves. And its bigoted attitudes like yours that sadly ensures that those suicide rates stay high. Hope your proud of yourself here.

-Canucklehead.

Chaos Engineer said...

aLet's see what we've got here.

He called for learning how to debate such issues “with greater love and respect.”

Wow, I agree! Good for him!

Of homosexuality, he’d said, “I think that it’s unnatural, I think that it’s detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

Sigh, I guess he just meant that other people should show greater love and respect for him.

Even so, I think he has a right to speak. In fact, I think he should be encouraged to flap his jaws at every opportunity. I've noticed that bigots can't go five minutes without saying something stupid that exposes the utter poverty of their world view. Like:

NAMBLA is doing all they can to try to normalize homosexuality so that pedophiles can then claim that their urges should be legalized. Then comes sex with animals and dead bodies and so on and so forth.

I think it's valuable for children to be able to be exposed to this nonsense in open forums, so they can compare bigots to normal human beings. It's educational: If a kid is trash-talking his opponents during a competition, and lets slip some kind of racist/sexist/homophobic slur, all the other kids will be more likely to say, "Dude! That sounds like something David Duke/Rush Limbaugh/Kirk Cameron would say! Not cool, dude!"

radar said...

Chaos, I work with kids and it is pretty obvious you do NOT! Normal Americans teach their kids normal values. Your left-leaning politically correct attitude is part of the problem. My kids were taught and my students are taught not only right and wrong but also how to behave in situations like discovering a friend is a homosexual. They are not taught to shun them or hate them, they are taught to be friends despite the sin but not join in. Those who realize they want to quit get help.

The Bible states that homosexual activity is wrong. That is my evidence. Statistics show it is dangerous to people both physically and emotionally. How about that?

Also many homosexuals decide to quit the practice/addiction and return to normalcy.

As far as I am concerned, you are the bigots, those of you who call wrong things right and approve of and promote sins and unhealthy acts. God says it is wrong. You have a better authority than God?

radar said...

As to comments, when I post something that commenters cannot even say anything to at all it means they have nothing worth saying and sometimes they actually realize it.

Anonymous whatsit said...

"As to comments, when I post something that commenters cannot even say anything to at all it means they have nothing worth saying and sometimes they actually realize it."

Put yourself in the shoes of, say... you. When you don't respond to a large number of comments on your blog, is it because you have nothing worth saying and you actually realize it?

radar said...

Being the blogger, I have already said it.

Anonymous said...

Homophobic Radar says,
"Statistics show it is dangerous to people both physically and emotionally. How about that?

Also many homosexuals decide to quit the practice/addiction and return to normalcy."

Sources? Of course not.

You are merely speculating here Radar and you know it. Not to mention the fact that if being homosexual does, in fact, have emotional "dangers", you'd be responsible for some of that danger by spouting ignorant bigoted garbage like what you've written above. You don't get it. And whats worse, you don't even get that you don't get it.

The fact that you "work with children" is just sad (and, who in their right mind would leave their children in your charge? certainly no one that has read this blog) especially when you consider that your "teaching" amounts to emotional abuse when it comes to homosexual youths. Shame on you Radar.

-Canucklehead.

Oh and nice dodge on the lack of comments on your last few blog posts. At least we understand now that when you leave questions unanswered in the comments section (like with pretty much every post on this blog) it means you've realized that you've got nothing and can't respond.

Anonymous whatsit said...

"Being the blogger, I have already said it."

Already said a response to the comments in question?

You wish.

I suspect not even you are satisfied with that bit of pretzel logic...

Anonymous whatsit said...

"The Bible states that homosexual activity is wrong. That is my evidence. Statistics show it is dangerous to people both physically and emotionally. How about that?"

Pretty weak. The Bible also says not to eat shellfish. Does that mean shellfish is bad? Of course not.

Got any actual evidence?

Anonymous said...

However, the left is trying to make simply stating that homosexuality is a sin "hate speech"...

Wait, do you think left is trying to criminalize this type of speech(I ask because the rest of the sentence mentions hate crimes)? If yes, can cite some non-fringe lefty saying that? I'm part of the "left" and haven't heard of anyone wanting to make this type of speech illegal. Again, probably yet another assertion you can't back up (or just a sloppily written sentence).

lava

Anonymous whatsit said...

"Statistics show it is dangerous to people both physically and emotionally. How about that?"

Has it occurred to you that claiming that homosexuality is a "sin" and an aberration that must be corrected can actually be dangerous to people both physically and emotionally?

Anonymous said...

lava, this appears to be yet another one of Radar's brazen lies. I don't know how he lives with himself, especially while claiming to be a good Christian and morally superior to others.