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Saturday, May 12, 2012

The Basics from AIG - Evolution and Creation - Did God Use Evolution Series

 “It is absurd and absolutely preposterous to believe that a living cell could come into existence by itself; but, notwithstanding, I do believe it, because I cannot imagine anything else.”- Ernest Kahane


The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God,"  - King David

 Calling on evolution sure saves having to do a lot of real science, huh?

Dr. Werner Gitt is an expert in the field of information and creation science.   He is publishing a book on the subject of evolution, creation and whether God did or did not use evolution.   I will present the very first portion of what he is presenting and then point you to the rest of the material.   The introductory portions are must reads!   So read 1.2 and 1.3...

1.2 The Basic Assumptions of Evolution

Dr. Werner Gitt

The following assumptions (E1 to E12) are fundamental principles of the doctrine of evolution but, unfortunately, they very seldom if ever appear explicitly in evolutionary writings, although evolutionary findings depend fundamentally on them.

They are usually taken for granted and are often only implied, so that the reader finds it difficult to determine whether the statements made about evolution are based on observational data or are the basic assumptions dressed up as conclusions.

E1: The basic principle, evolution, is taken for granted. F.M. Wuketits, an evolution theorist, writes [W5, p. 11]: “We pre-suppose the essential correctness of biological evolution, yes, we assume that evolution is universally valid.”

Siewing defines biological evolution as follows [S6, p. 171]: “The essence of the theory of evolution is contained in the statement that all systematic categories are eventually related; therefore, all known organisms are descendants of one common ancestor.”

E2: Evolution is a universal principle: “The principle of development not only holds for life on earth; it extends much further. It is quite clearly the most widely valid principle imaginable, because it encompasses the entire universe. . . . All of reality around us is characterized by a history of self-development. Biological evolution is only part of this universal process” (Hoimar von Ditfurth; [D3, p. 22]).

E3a: One should not drag in a creator (or synonyms such as designer, planning spirit, or “demiurge”). Ernest Kahane, a French molecular biologist, formulates it as follows [S5, p. 16]: “It is absurd and absolutely preposterous to believe that a living cell could come into existence by itself; but, notwithstanding, I do believe it, because I cannot imagine anything else.” Assumption E3b follows as a consequence of E3a:

E3b: This world, including all living organisms, is based exclusively on matter and materialistic principles. It follows that the origin of life can only be found in matter. One can therefore exclude the possibility of a spiritual author for matter itself and for all life-forms.
This view frees us from the difficulty of assuming that at some stage during the course of the development of our earth, after animal life had started, something immaterial or psychical, nobody knows from where, stepped in and caused various effects in brains and brain capacities (B Rensch; [R1, p. 235]).
E4: Matter is taken for granted. The law of the conservation of energy together with Einstein’s equivalence of matter and energy, E = mc2, states that the sum total of all energy and all matter in our universe is constant. There is thus no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy, and it is therefore necessary to assume that all the energy must have existed before the supposed big bang.

E5: As far as scientific laws are concerned, there is no difference between the origin of the earth and of all life, and their subsequent development (the principle of uniformity).

The mechanisms of the processes through which the earth and all life on earth originated were subject to the same laws that govern the present observable reality (compare assumption C3 of creationism).

E6: Evolution relies on processes that allow increases in organization from the simple to the more complex, from non-life to life, from lower to higher life-forms.

These processes are described as the “self-organization of matter.” The so-called evolutionary factors are mentioned as cause (see E7). In the vein of E6, B. Rensch defines the evolution of the cosmos up to man as follows [R1, p. 235]: “Evolution manifests itself as a continuous progression from the origin of the solar system and the earth, through the assemblage of the first elements of life, followed by true forms of life, and increasingly higher developed groups of animals, leading up to man.”

E7: The following factors are assumed as the driving forces of evolution: Mutation, selection, isolation, and mixing. Chance and necessity, long time epochs, ecological changes, and death are additional indispensable factors which are included in the “actual” evolutionary factors.

E7a: “Mutation and selection are the driving forces of evolution” (K. Lorenz).
Comment: If there were only one single example (experiment or observation) of the origin of a new kind of organism or a new structure, then E7a would have been a derived theory. The mechanisms, mutation and selection, do occur, and the appearance of a new kind would imply new genetic information. Because of the lack of any evidence of new genetic information, E7a remains an assumption.

E7b: Death is an undisputed essential factor in evolution. Biologist H. Mohr states [M2, p. 12]: “If there were no death, then no life would have existed. . . . There is no other way around this axiom of evolutionary theory.”

E8: There is no plan in evolution, neither is there any purpose. No causes should be postulated for the purposefulness perceived in organic life, because that would imply a Creator: “It is not necessary to assume a mysterious guiding principle for the purposefulness observed in the structure and life of all organisms . . . neither was a wise Creator necessary for their origin” (B. Rensch; [R1, p. 66]). Other quotations point in the same direction: “No causes can operate from the future; therefore there can be no pre-determined evolutionary purposes” (H. v. Ditfurth).

E9: There are no definite beginning and end points on the time axis. Anybody can therefore have as much time as he likes for the process of evolution. With a universe oscillating from one big bang to the next, E9 becomes patently obvious [W2, p. 16]: “Many cosmologists embrace the model of an oscillating universe on philosophical grounds, mainly because it glibly evades the issue of Genesis.” Because of the unlimited available time in the future, Carsten Bresch hopefully expects further evolutionary “hits” [B7, p. 291]: “When unlimited time is available, then sometime, somewhere, one individual will progress to the next step when he ‘throws a six.’ ”

E10: The present is the key to the past. This means that present-day observational data may be extrapolated as far back in time as one wishes. Examples: The present annual rate of erosion of the Grand Canyon is 0.15 mm. This leads to an age of 10 million years. The current measured rate of expansion of the universe based on the Hubble constant, places the time of the big bang at 18 thousand million years in the past. Astronomer O. Heckmann criticizes this “remarkable sport” and describes it as calculating with “reckless abandon” [H4, p. 90].

E11: There was a smooth transition from non-life to life. The continuous development from simple atoms and molecules up to man is regarded as a smooth changeover from one example to the next: “The smooth conversion (from non-life to life) is a postulate of a reductionistic explanation” (B.-O. K├╝ppers; [K4, p. 200]).

E12: Evolution will persist in the distant future: “When this planet becomes a ‘monon,’ evolution will enter its intellectual phase. We can only guess about its future course. . . . The direction is illustrated in the development from chaos to an intellectual intergalactic supermind; each one of us is a small part of it all” (Carsten Bresch; [B7, p. 265, 293]).

Radar note - This sounds like the kind of verbiage you get from a Kerouac disciple on the third day of a LSD cruise.   Everything is going to morph into an "intergalactic supermind" and supposedly reasonable people listen to this?  Hey, guys, let's just quit trying to accomplish things and drink some Flavor-Ade so we can get closer to the state of intergalactic supermind!   But pass me that joint first, no bogarts!!!

Comment: It is significant that the enunciations of the doctrine of evolution do not comprise the final conclusions resulting from measurements and observations, but more often than not, they describe the system of basic assumptions. As regards models of the origin of things and life, only theories which fit the concepts of evolution are allowed (the science of evolutionary knowledge!). Sir Arthur Keith summarizes the above as follows: “Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it, however, because the only alternative is an act of creation by a God, and that is unthinkable.”

The evolutionary understanding of the Bible: There is no personal God. Consequently, the Bible has been written BY humans FOR humans, as any other piece of literature. The Bible reflects the thoughts of the time and place of its writing, and thus has no claim to the truth, neither can it be regarded as authoritative.


The bottom line?   Evolution has not ever been observed.   It is logically a failed assumption.  It is statistically impossible.   It violates established laws.   Finally, in various ways the proponents of evolution admit they must believe it because they cannot tolerate the idea of a Creator God.   Why is a Creator God unthinkable?  Because then we have a responsibility to that God to do His will.   Did you know that there is only one unforgivable sin?   It is not suicide.   It isn't rooting for the Yankees.  It is refusing to acknowledge and accept the gift of salvation provide to you by Jesus Christ.    Christ paid for your sins.   You can receive forgiveness for your sins and take Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord and avoid hell and destruction or you can bet on becoming an intergalactic supermind.    Now let's see what Creation Science actually says...

1.3 The Basic Assumptions of Creationism

 By Dr. Werner Gitt

Theories and models of the various creation disciplines are based on the following presuppositions. Assumptions E1 and C1, E2 and C2 . . . E12 and C12 deal with the same topics; their contents, however, are diametrically opposed. The basic assumptions clearly show that these two sets of principles are incompatible.

C1: The basic principle of creation is taken for granted. An understanding of the original creation can only be obtained through a biblical “temper of mind.” Biblical revelations are the key for understanding this world. The Bible is the basic, irreplaceable source of information. It is a fact of creation that we may not extrapolate the currently valid natural laws into the six days of creation. Our present experiences do not allow us to really evaluate something that has just been created.

Examples: All adults were children. But Adam could not have been created as a baby; he was a grown man. He never was a child, and it does not make sense to extrapolate a number of years into his life, just because our present experiences require that every adult should have been a child. Similarly, all the stars were immediately visible in spite of immense distances. Trees were not made as seedlings; they were fully grown and complete. Neither did the birds first have to hatch from their eggs and eventually grow up. The old question of “Which was first—the hen or the egg?” has a clear and unambiguous biblical answer.

C2: Creation is a universal principle, that is, the entire universe and all life on earth originated at creation. According to John 1:1–3, creation encompasses everything from the microcosm to the macrocosm and from inanimate matter to man:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made(KJV).

C3: The Creator exists. He is the God of the Bible. The Bible begins with the affirmation “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” and this is clearly an important basic assumption as defined by us. God is not there to fill the as yet unexplainable gaps in natural phenomena, but He is the Primal Cause of ALL things, whether or not we already understand them scientifically. If we should relegate to the Creator only those matters which are not (yet) explainable, then everything which has already been explained, may be used to “prove” the non-existence of God. Then, as scientific knowledge accumulates, God is increasingly “explained away” (see chapter 8.6).

C4: The matter of the entire universe has been created without the use of previously existing matter. This basic principle is formulated in Hebrews 11:3:By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

C5: There is a fundamental difference between the creation of the world and all living organisms on the one hand, and the subsequent processes. Natural laws derive from our experiences with matter which consistently repeat themselves; the present creation functions according to these laws in every detail. They were established at creation and provide the limits within which expected outcomes are guaranteed and can even be calculated beforehand (e.g., the law of gravity, and the laws governing chemical reactions). These limits demarcate both possible events as in technological achievements, as well as impossible events (e.g., stones falling upward, and “perpetual motion” machines functioning without energy being supplied). The physical processes within living organisms are also subject to these limits.

C6: God’s creative activities cannot be explained in terms of natural laws, neither are they subject to the above limits. Creation is a singular event by which the present natural laws came into existence.

Concerning these creative acts, one can only look so far across this “event horizon” as God reveals in His Word. That which God has revealed in Holy Scripture is therefore fundamental and irrefutable information which cannot be obtained otherwise.

Comment: According to the well-known law of the conservation of energy, energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed in this universe. This fact illuminates basic assumption C6. The origin of the energy presently in the universe cannot be described in terms of known physical laws, because creation occurred outside the currently valid laws. Evolutionary presupposition E6 is contradicted by C6.

Analogy: The origin of the Bible can be seen as analogous to the creation of the universe. If creation cannot be explained in terms of natural laws, neither can the origin of God’s Word be explained by scientific methods like history, text criticisms, or archaeology. According to Isaiah 55:8–9, the acts of God concerning the establishment of the Bible is outside our field of understanding, therefore we can only understand it as far as it is revealed in God’s Word.

C7: The following factors or causes of creation are mentioned many times in the Bible:
These factors were in operation during the six days of creation. They are not subject to natural laws and can therefore only be comprehended by faith (Heb. 11:3).

C8: Purposes require a Designer. Aspects of creation clearly point to the Creator (Rom. 1:19–20). They bear witness to the wisdom (genius, intelligence, richness of ideas; Col. 2:3) and omnipotence (Ps. 19:2) of the Creator; but they do not disclose His other characteristics (like love, grace, goodness) and functions (Savior, Redeemer, Comforter) which are essential for our faith in Him.
In the vein of C8 it has been reasoned as follows: “Let us imagine that some astronauts discovered a golden calf on the moon, or that deep sea explorers stumble on a statue of Venus. Even if they bore the inscription ‘sculpsit evolutio’ (shaped by evolution), I regard it as more likely that intelligent beings had produced them, than assuming that chance and necessity were the cause” (L. Oeing-Hanhoff [O1 p. 63]).

Comment: It is highly significant that the remarkable genius observed in nature is explained (especially in living organisms). One should not replace the biblical conclusions, leading from creation to the Creator, with contrived philosophical “proofs” of God’s existence—For although they knew God . . .(Rom. 1:21).

Knowledge of God and Christ is only obtained through the Word of God in the Bible: As proclaimed by the spoken and the written word (Rom. 10:17; Rev. 1:3) and the personal witness of believers (Acts 1:8).

C9: There is a definite beginning point of time, as set out in Genesis 1:1. Time and matter came into existence at creation, and they will also have a definite end (Rev. 10:6). The age of the universe is tied up with the existence of human generations (biblical genealogies), and is definitely not of the order of millions or billions of years.

C10: The past is the key to the present. This is exactly the inverse of the evolutionary presupposition E8. The present can only be understood in the light of three crucial past events: creation, man’s sin, and the flood of Noah. Three secondary basic theorems can be deduced:

C10a: Death is the result of the sin of the first human couple (Gen. 2:17; Gen. 3:17–19; Rom. 5:12, 14; Rom. 6:23; 1 Cor. 15:21).

C10b: All life-forms were adversely affected by man’s sin (Rom. 8:20, 22). The destructive biological structures (e.g., bacteria which cause diseases; parasites; death-dealing mechanisms of snakes, spiders, predatory plants, and animals; and tribulations resulting from “thorns and thistles”) cannot be explained except as a result of sin. The generally observed impermanence of things has also been caused by sin.

C10c: The present geological structures of the earth’s crust cannot be explained without recourse to Noah’s flood.

C11: There is a clear difference between living organisms and nonliving matter. Matter and energy are necessary fundamental qualities of all life, but they do not distinguish living systems from non-living systems. One of the central characteristics of all living creatures is the inherent information required for all life processes and the genetic information required for procreation. Information is an essential aspect of all life-forms. In the extreme case, sub-microscopic viroids are no more than bearers of information. On the other hand, even very complex organic compounds like proteins are not alive, because they do not contain encoded information. It should be obvious that information distinguishes between living and inanimate substances. Pasteur’s statement that life can only come from life (omne vivum ex vivo), can thus be expressed as follows: Information must have a source.

C12: The creation of living organisms (original kinds) is completed. As described in Genesis 1, all original living types (“each according to its kind”) were created during the six days of creation. All later changes (e.g., races) are merely variations of the previously created original kinds.

Creation research comprises the following: (Note: Creation research refers to the investigation of that which has already been created; God’s creative acts themselves are hidden from us [see assumption C6].)

1. All scientifically available facts are used. As far as they involve measurements and observations, facts are processed by means of currently available scientific instruments.

2. Biblical statements are not the object of creation research, rather, they are the point of departure. It is not the intention to prove the validity of Bible, but to show that the facts of nature can be much more readily explained by means of premises based on the Bible than by using an evolutionary approach.

3. All theories based on the assumption of evolution are evaluated critically. When considering scientific results (facts and meanings), there is a distinct difference between the purely factual aspects of data, and conclusions based on the doctrine of evolution. Theories formulated in creation research are equally subject to critical scrutiny and eventual improvement. Only explicit biblical statements are not questioned.

4. How the Bible is understood: Human authors wrote as inspired by God’s Holy Spirit (2 Pet. 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16). God supervised the exact words used originally, even to the point of the actual choice of correct idiomatic expressions, without circumventing the personalities of the writers. In this way, the Bible carries the seal of truth, and all its pronouncements are authoritative—whether they deal with questions of faith and salvation, questions of daily life, or matters of scientific importance [G6, p. 44–45]. The Bible is the ONLY revelation authorized by God, apart from personal guidance in daily matters. God abhors all other purported revelations (e.g., occultism, meditation, and the founding of cults and religions). See Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; 1 Corinthians 4:6; and Revelation 22:18–19. Further aspects of the interpretation of the Bible are discussed in chapter 8.1.


I chose God rather than some Robert Heinleinesque weird mankind inventing himself and traveling in time to procreate with every conceivable relative in the process OR the even sillier idea that the Universe invented itself and everything made itself and life also made itself.   Wow.   Taking lots of mescaline might make that seem more likely but you have to reach sobriety eventually.   There will always be a Carlos Castaneda attempting to promote some form of magic in place of reality.   There will always be a Richard Dawkins passing off bad science and worse philosophy as forward thinking.   But evolution is always starting with things creating themselves.   In what conceivable way does this make more sense than a Creator?

Little kids are supposed to grow up and give up the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.   Sure hope they give up Darwin at the same time.   More education!!!    Now, let's compare.   Creation Science matches the facts on the ground, explains life as we see it and is compatible with being tested.   Evolution has been falsified.  People just don't want to admit it.   We have to keep showing them until they understand...

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Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Little kids are supposed to grow up and give up the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus."

Only the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?

Anonymous said...

Isn't Werner Gitt that guy that slandered NASA scientists as frauds based on absolutely zero evidence?

radar said...

Dr. Werner Gitt has written extensively on information science and his research has absolutely been ignored by the Darwinist community because he has shown that information is not a tangible substance but is instead intelligence transmitted by various means with intention.

Jesus Christ is an historical figure for whom there is more evidence than we have for the existence of Homer or for that matter Plato or Socrates or Aristotle. No one doubt that Genghis Khan existed and we have more evidence for Jesus Christ.

Santa Claus is a warped mythological character based loosely on Saint Nicholas, a man of honor and charity.

The Easter Bunny is simply a pagan myth that is perpetuated for the fun of hiding eggs and giving kids lots of chocolates.

Darwinism is a myth invented by naturalists to allow them to pretend that there is no God. That it really has no evidence to support it has not mattered much so far but I have hopes that the world of science will eventually have to admit that it is impossible, illogical and inane.

Anonymous said...

"Darwinism is a myth invented by naturalists to allow them to pretend that there is no God. That it really has no evidence to support it has not mattered much so far but I have hopes that the world of science will eventually have to admit that it is impossible, illogical and inane."

Well, you've said that about a thousand times and you can say it a thousand times more, but it won't change anything: the theory of evolution is still the accepted scientific theory and no amount of kicking and screaming will change that.

Only solid scientific, peer-reviewed research will pose any threat. But since that's the one thing creationists don't have, the 'evolutionists' can sit back and watch the wailing and grinding of teeth with amusement.

Jon Woolf said...

"No one doubt that Genghis Khan existed and we have more evidence for Jesus Christ."

Er, no.

There's ample reliable documentary and physical evidence that someone lived in the late 12th/early 13th century who did the things commonly ascribed to Temujin. There is no reliable documentary or physical evidence, outside of four self-serving, self-aggrandizing tracts written by men with a great deal to gain, that any man ever lived who did the things commonly ascribed to Jesus of Nazareth.

radar said...

"There's ample reliable documentary and physical evidence that someone lived in the late 12th/early 13th century who did the things commonly ascribed to Temujin. There is no reliable documentary or physical evidence, outside of four self-serving, self-aggrandizing tracts written by men with a great deal to gain, that any man ever lived who did the things commonly ascribed to Jesus of Nazareth."

Jon, you are quite good at being wrong. First, Josephus, the local Roman records and the official documentary records kept by the Jewish priests all record Jesus of Nazareth. There was a priest who sought to scrub all references to Jesus from the Jewish records but he did not succeed in finding and erasing all of them.

Furthermore, Jesus is mentioned in several other Books of the Bible.

Third, the so-called "self-serving" men who wrote the Gospels risked their lives to write and promote Christianity. All but one of the Apostles who served Christ (including Paul and casting aside Judas) were murdered and usually tortured first for their faith.

The Gospels would not have survived if they did not record real life events. All four of them were written before the death of Paul and the Destruction of Jerusalem, so they were written while hundreds, perhaps thousands of people were aware of the testimonies. These books were not hooted down, they were kept and copied and passed around to others because they were true.

Matthew gave up a lucrative position to follow Christ and be killed. John was nearly killed but survived and managed to be the one Apostle who died of natural causes. Mark and Luke faced all sorts of hardships and perils while documenting the life of Christ and the beginning of the Christian faith. Becoming a Christian in the first century AD was very dangerous since the Jews sought to kill you and so did the Romans. Going so far as to write and pass around Christian materials was more dangerous.

Yeah, those New Testament writers really were self-serving, serving themselves up to be boiled in oil or crucified and maybe hung along the side of the road and tarred and lit on fire to provide temporary lamps? Part one.

radar said...

Now about self-aggrandizing? John and Andrew are shown to be seeking to be the top leaders among the disciples, revealing pride and envy. Every single disciple but John stayed away from the crucifixion event lest they be captured and included in the festivities. Only John and a few women including the mother of Jesus attended despite the dangers.

Peter's reckless boasts and failures are documented right along with his acts of faith. Thomas is called "doubting" for his little faith that Christ had come back from the dead. All of the disciples were called out by Jesus when they did not have the faith to cast out demons. They all feared and blamed a spirit when first seeing Jesus walking on water and only Peter had the faith to try it himelf. He didn't last long but it was some faith instead of zero.

We see Paul and Silas and Peter have disagreements in Acts. We see Mark disparaged for quitting the ministry but Mark later repents and comes back. Throughout the New Testament you see some people called out for bad behavior or falling prey to heresy and some commended. What you do not see is anyone getting rich on Christianity but rather they are sharing with others. You do not see glory hounds but rather men giving the credit and glory to God.

Jon, the historicity of Jesus Christ and his followers is widely accepted and mentioned in numerous historical works concerning the time period. The sincerity of His followers is evident by what they accomplished. Their true belief and lack of pride or self-service is evident in the fact that most of them were killed just for being a Christian. But for every one that was slain it seemed ten joined the numbers of believers anyway. Thus, Christianity overcame all obstacles because so many KNEW Jesus and knew He had risen from the grave and knew He'd performed miracles that none could deny.

Jon Woolf said...

"Yeah, those New Testament writers really were self-serving, serving themselves up to be boiled in oil or crucified and maybe hung along the side of the road and tarred and lit on fire to provide temporary lamps? "

By that standard, Hirohito really was a god -- after all, thousands of Japanese willingly died as kamikazes in his name. And the god of Islam is a greater god than yours, because Muslims continue to willingly die for him and the promised rewards of such a fate even today.

For that matter, what about the Buddhist monks who have willingly immolated themselves to protest various injustices?

Humans are tribal creatures. We live for the Tribe, we die for the Tribe. A willingness to die for the Tribe proves nothing about whether or not the Tribe's beliefs have any intrinsic value.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone who denies evolution read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins? I have read the bible and many other books on the bible and about history around the time of the bible. The bible contradicts itself whereas evolutionary theory does not. How about going in with an open mind? Maybe you will change, maybe not, either way it would be good to be able to look from both sides.

Stephanie Butler said...

Evolution is the change over time by natural selection.