It was time for a laugh and this cartoon was passed around by members of REO Speedwagon this week. Actually this group had an appropriate song for the subject of this blogpost. I remember watching a thunderstorm from so far up in the Rocky Mountains that the lightning was striking UNDER and AROUND us...on the 4th of July! Best fireworks show ever...
REO Speedwagon was a local group who made it BIG. They are still out there touring with a lot of the 1970's personnel still going strong.
Jonathan Sarfati, an accomplished scientist and chessmaster, is also well-versed in history and loves political science...and humor! If you have never read his Questions from various foreigners planning on visiting Australia? I should put it at the bottom!
Dr. Sarfati does a good job of answering critics who are usually unprepared for an intelligent discussion of the Ark in this one, below. I'll not change Jonathan's style on this one with fonts or anything else.
Published: 3 February 2013 (GMT+10)
Joe M., United States, 8 July 2012
The sheer silliness of this is mind boggling. There hasn’t been enough time for all species to evolve in 4 billion years, BUT … Horses,Zebras and Donkeys, which are estimated to be millions of years apart by science, evolved in 5000 years? Huh?
A guy had 8000 pairs of animals on an Ark? Can’t this be a story? Catholics treat all of these things as stories without anyone running off to become an atheist. I just will never get this.
Warren L., Philippines, 11 July 2012
The flood of Noah couldn’t have happened. There wouldn’t be enough food and time to feed all 16000 animals. and for ten months, 8 people feeding them? How about the food after the flood? It’s funny how people could defend this story when it’s clearly full of impossibilities.
David W., United States, 13 July 2012
The animals and people native to Australia and North America that were discovered by European settlers clearly indicate the fictitious nature of this story. Unless you can present evidence that explains how dark skinned people and animals found no where else in the world wound up on these continents after the floods receded.
Joe M., United States, 16 July 2012
The concept of Biblical Literalism, as it is understood today, was foreign to the Church Fathers. Jesus told all sorts of stories to illustrate profound truths. So did Augustine and the other Fathers. That they were fiction didn’t change the message. Noah is about sin and redemption.
In any case, you have no idea how silly all of this sounds to scientists, many of whom are believers like me. Poodles and German Shepherds are still dogs. Zebras and donkeys, while clearly related like chimps and people, diverged millions of years ago.
I know the laws of allegory, though less by myself than from the works of others. There are those truly, who do not admit the common sense of the Scriptures, for whom water is not water, but some other nature, who see in a plant, in a fish, what their fancy wishes, who change the nature of reptiles and of wild beasts to suit their allegories, like the interpreters of dreams who explain visions in sleep to make them serve their own ends. For me grass is grass; plant, fish, wild beast, domestic animal, I take all in the literal sense. “Romans 1:16]. (Hexaëmeron 9:1)” [
Mike M., Nigeria, 29 August 2012
How is it possible that 8 couple = 7,000,000,000 people is less than 5000 years?
Mike M., Nigeria, 29 August 2012
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
How high was the water? 15 cubits? Certainly that doesn’t cover the mountains.
Steve M., Canada, 30 August 2012
I laughed, I cried and sat starring mystified at the silliness I’ve been reading.
The several articles I’ve read denies evolution.
That Inbreeding was not detrimental to repopulation.
A lot of blanks like how were the animals were feed are made up with no facts whatsoever.
I wanted to know how the other races of man came from Noah’s family:
and how pugs became great danes I got more silly science.
The claim evolution is wrong that means it cannot be right when it suits you.
So Noah cannot have negroid children and they cannot become negroid because that would be evolving or changing.
A cobra doesn’t give birth to a boa.
Just like all fresh water fish will die in salt water and massive temperature changes.
Filling in the huge amount of blanks like species, races and how things were done without any facts.
At least the evolutionist say they have a theory it means they are not certain.
You act like your “facts” are actual answers.
You pretend to have answers where there are none but are to bull headed to admit you don’t know.
You see doubt and blind faith as heresy.
The Bible says all sorceress are to be put to death. Will you still follow this law?
It seems you follow the answers that fit your narrow minded views.
Primitive thinking for primates.
any of various omnivorous mammals of the order Primates, comprising the three suborders Anthropoidea (humans, great apes, gibbons, Old World monkeys, and New World monkeys), Prosimii (lemurs, loris, and their allies), and Tarsioidea (tarsiers), especially distinguished by the use of hands, varied locomotion, and by complex flexible behavior involving a high level of social interaction and cultural adaptability.
T. N., United States, 30 September 2012
I thought you people (by which I mean literalists)
didn’t believe in evolution,
and yet now you’re arguing that evolution is the answer?
FYI, I grew up Christian, still am, all my friends and family were Christian,
and yet I never, to my knowledge, encountered a Biblical literalist until college (in biology, go figure).
And I grew up in Texas in the 70s and 80s thank you very much.
Jack J., United States, 25 October 2012
Nice article, but you live in a world of theoretical materials.
What did Noah make the ark out of, for instance?
The structural integrity of wood literally would have collapsed upon itself just from weight alone, not to mention human-errors in the construction.
That’s not even taking into consideration tidal forces.
And did I forget the ‘excrement slots’ that would ruin the integrity further more?
And if there is some perfect design that utilizes outside force to make up for internal stresses, where did they get all the wood, and the technical ability to build such a thing?
After the flood, how did all the animals get back to their present-day continent? Flying maybe?
That’s just the surface though. Let’s look at the idea that the water surged from the Earth. Okay, so say that happened. Have you ever noticed that even the strongest submarines can’t withstand pressures past a certain point?
The point is, that cavities would form in the crust, and the sheer weight of the water above would crush them, forming huge tidal forces, tsunamis,
things that wouldn’t just destroy the animals, but also the geography and fertility of the land.
And what about the oxygen?
Even if you can solve all of these problems and form some cohesive solution, it doesn’t mean it happened.
It’s theoretically nearly-impossible, if there’s a chance at all, and the lack of evidence on the Earth that supports it makes that chance even slimmer.
The only evidence for Noah’s ark is the inbreeding, as you are obviously stupid enough to make any argument at all.
I will not have fellow humans slander the works of humans.
Religion corrupts the world.
And it saddens me to see people living these lies, unable to enjoy life for what it is, rather than what it isn’t.
R. C., Canada, 1 November 2012
It would take another Ark somehow filled with non-perishable food (impossible!) to keep the animals alive for a few seasons until the food supply began to replenish itself (centuries is more likely).
The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food. Perhaps Noah fed the cattle mainly on grain, plus some hay for fibre. Woodmorappe calculated that the volume of foodstuffs would have been only about 15 % of the Ark’s total volume. Drinking water would only have taken up 9.4% of the volume. This volume would be reduced further if rainwater was collected and piped into troughs.
But for the carnivores needing 16 pounds of fresh-killed flesh per day to survive there would have to be vast stores of surplus animals somehow released but prevented from escaping the range of carnivores.
While I commend the effort, the Ark story is just another Biblical parable. Searching/justifying (for) the Ark is like searching for the bones of ‘the’ Good Samaritan.
Mark S., United Kingdom, 21 November 2012
I very much hope you will answer my 5 questions.
1. You say in your answers that the insects could be kept in boxes 4″ square.
It is estimated that there are over 800,000 species of Beetles alone,
(many well-over 4″ in length!)
That equals a line of boxes of around 53 miles long! Then there are all the other millions of insect species.
You can work out how much room is required to house all of the known insects in their boxes and I don’t think it leaves much room for the higher animals.
2. You also say there was no need to take fish onto the ark. The salinity level of water is absolutely crucial to all fish. Marine fish would all have perished as the salinity dropped, equally fresh-water fish would have perished as the salinity rose, (try dropping some salt into your fresh-water aquarium, or filling your marine tank with fresh or brackish water and see what happens).
3. How did Noah know when he had collected two of each of the world’s insects? Even the most eminent entomologists couldn’t name but 10% of the world’s insect species.
4. Have you ever tried working with animals in an almost fully enclosed environment? Methane and CO2 levels rise very quickly as oxygen levels fall and the atmosphere soon becomes stifling. Many creatures would very quickly suffer in such a place.
5. Salt is one of the best known weedkillers. After the flood the soil would have remained infertile for up to a year or more until the salt had leached away.
Virtually all plants would die almost immediately after germination. (Try growing common seeds, and water with a weak saline solution to see what happens.)
Charles Darwin contributed to the answer to this also. As well as doing experiments on seeds germinating after soaking in water, Darwin pointed out that seeds survive in the dead carcasses of birds and animals floating in the sea. That’s another way that seeds could have survived. Many families of plants have at least some species with seeds that have resistant seed coats (‘hard seeded’) that are impervious to the penetration of water and it is not until they are abraded or pass through fire, for example, that water will penetrate and germination follows. Many legume seeds are like this and will withstand prolonged submersion without losing viability. … My doctorate research was done on the physiology of plant propagation from cuttings. Olives are propagated commercially from cuttings, and have been for thousands of years.
Mark S., United Kingdom, 24 November 2012
What is the present Latin name for ‘gopher wood’ and where can it be found growing today? If it no longer exists, what happened to it?
I have worked on farms, and to feed, water and clean-out just 2–300 animals is as much as one person can do in a day. How did Noah and his small family look after so many animals for so long in a boat!
Why did God get Noah to go to all this trouble?
Couldn’t He have just re-created everything after the flood?
Most animals require very precise habitats that can take very many years to create. How could these have been created so soon after the flood, and who put these millions of animals back into their correct habitats, (if they existed)?
Do you believe that the flood created the ‘fossil layers’?
How many deaths and casualties were there among these millions of creatures couped-up for so long?
How did Noah’s family remain disease-free in such putrid conditions, amid so many lethal viruses and bacteria?
Another problem often raised by atheists and theistic evolutionists is ‘how did disease germs survive the flood?’ … In fact, even now many germs can survive in insect vectors or corpses, or in the dried or frozen state, or be carried by a host without causing disease. Finally, loss of resistance to disease is consistent with the general degeneration of life since the Fall.
Why did God not foresee how wicked and violent the earth was to become that required him to kill 99.9999% of all living things, especially especially those evil and violent children of God?
Where were all the animals stored that were to become food for the thousands of carnivorous mammals, birds and reptiles?
The Galápagos tortoises were subject to overhunting by humans who kept them for food on ships. This decimated the population. The giant tortoises were seen to be an excellent source of fresh meat, as the tortoises could be kept for long periods of time with little food or water. The sailors on the Beagle took 30 on board for this purpose, discarding the shells and bones as they consumed them. (Woodmorappe [ch. 12] suggests this as one more possible food source for carnivores on the Ark; fodder tortoises.)
And what would the carnivores have eaten once back on dry land?
What did the fish-eating species live on while in the Ark after God had closed the door?
How many creatures became sea-sick and died during this violent storm?
How rife was disease in the Ark with animals so tightly packed into such a confined space for so long?
Was all this carnage the work of a caring and loving God?
Mark S., United Kingdom, 27 November 2012
Thank you for taking the trouble to answer my many questions.
I notice in your answers to me and others the much use of words and phrases such as “could”, “could-have”, “possibly”, “probably”, “may-have”. These are not words of conviction, but purely of supposition and blind-faith.
I’m sorry to say that you have shown no more idea as to how Noah could have built, sailed and cared-for an Ark full of wild animals than I have,
your replies have been purely guesswork and referal to the work of others which also contain many words of doubt.
You have to understand that first there is speculation, then there is wild speculation, and then there is cosmology.
As you are always able to refer to your God as being able to do anything He wishes,
you leave yourself the perfect ‘get-out’ when facts,knowledge based answers and even guesswork desert you.
If someone tries to show that a certain philosophical system is incoherent, it is perfectly in order for a defender of this system to invoke certain aspects of this system to defend its coherence. So when an atheist attacks biblical theism, it is perfectly in order to cite propositions from the Bible to defend the integrity of this belief system.
I have no counter to that, so as they say, ‘I’m-out’. Thank you.
Martin D., Australia, 7 December 2012
The Bible also describes in great detail how the Earth is a flat, geocentric platform. I can’t wait to read the book or article that will attempt to square that circle, Or rather circle that disc!It’s also ironic that the leading proponent of the flat earth today is one of your fellow evolutionists!