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Sunday, August 24, 2014

Created Or Evolved? Do you have a reasonable answer?

Lost any hope of finding meaning of life?  Lost your desire to figure it out?  Buried under a mound of idiotic propaganda on "science" and "animal" and "history" channels, news media, magazines and online mainstream websites?   Give yourself a chance and read "Created Or Evolved" please?!!

Lost Radar?  No, I am awaiting surgery and it takes almost every ounce of my strength to merely work from home and keep providing for my family.  Meanwhile, Cowboy Bob aka Piltdown Superman has graciously kept posts coming in my stead.  I've survived terrible accidents, a tumor, awakening just in time in the middle of a catastrophic fire, a MRSA infection, attempted murder and the stupidity of mountain climbing without proper equipment not to mention various youthful endeavors typical of my "Boomer" generation.  Next month I have surgery which will either quickly restore me to close to normal or possibly bring me closer to my demise.  I went from playing tennis and basketball to having trouble running to being barely able to walk in a fairly short time.  I thank God for my life and I trust Him no matter what!  So if I do not come back, it will be because I have left this life behind.  I'll know in about a month.

When I do return (I am an optimist, after all), I will try to figure out what is wrong with the comments, as almost all of them are being filtered out by the Google spam engine and NOT by Bob.  Anyway, I figured I could muster some energy and start a brilliant Creation.com article and hope you go there to finish reading it so that you have a chance (should you believe in evolution) to reorient yourself...

Created or evolved?

Where do we come from? Find your answer to the vital creation vs evolution question

Biston betularia
The peppered moth (Biston betularia, in its light and dark forms) is often paraded as evidence for evolution, whereas it actually isn’t. See: The moth files. Minor variation within a species of moth does nothing to explain the origin of the moth or how (for example) a worm could change into a fish. 

For readers wanting to dig deeper still, see the many articles accessible from Q&A: Natural selection.

Photos by Olaf Leillinger, wikipedia.org 

Published: 25 June 2013 (GMT+10)
Are you created or evolved?

Since Charles Darwin first published his Origin of Species in 1859, the idea that everything just evolved by itself over millions and billions of years has come to dominate our public media and educational institutions. Evolution is often spoken of as ‘fact’.

So it surprises many that there are an increasing number of voices speaking out against evolution. They say we are not evolved, but created. It’s even more of a surprise to discover many of those voices are from leading scientists across a range of disciplines. Not only are they pointing out the flaws in evolutionary theory, but they’re also showing that the evidence around us fits with the Bible’s account of the past, not evolution.

What is this evidence for creation that these scientists are pointing to? There’s lots. Here’s just a taste.

The design of living things

If we look at even just one aspect of our bodies, such as the dexterity of our hand, wrist and fingers, it speaks of design, and therefore, a Designer. Robotics engineers are still striving to copy that dexterity!1 And our movements are controlled by our brains—no mean feat! The immense complexity of the human brain, its creativity and power of abstract reasoning, with capacities vastly beyond that required for sheer survival, is perhaps the most obvious evidence for intelligent creation.2

New jaw-dropping discoveries of the cell’s hitherto-unrealized complexity are continuing to be made.

At the time that Charles Darwin published his Origin of Species, a cell was considered a simple ‘blob of protoplasm’—a basic building block of life. But with the development of technology allowing us to study living things at a molecular level, it’s now realized that a single cell is enormously complex. And new jaw-dropping discoveries of its hitherto-unrealized complexity are continuing to be made. E.g. the cell has a ‘switchboard system’ to coordinate the multiplicity of biochemical events happening within.3


And much more! E.g. it’s humorous now to look back on the prediction, by a scientist (J.B.S. Haldane) who believed that, because of evolution, no-one would ever find a wheel in nature.4 He was wrong, as this video clip (duration 1 minute, 26 seconds) of the world’s smallest rotary motor, the incredible ATP synthase enzyme present in all living things, shows:5




And there are linear motors, too, including the kinesin protein that ‘walks’ as it transports essential components to where they are needed in the cell, as this video (duration 1 minute, 11 seconds) shows:6




Note that every ‘step’ the kinesin protein takes requires one ATP molecule for energy—i.e. ATP which is generated by the rotary ATP synthase motor shown in the previous video clip. The eukaryotic cell needs both of these highly complex motors to be present and fully functional—and much more besides. No wonder the Psalmist wrote …
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. (Psalm 139:14)
… and the Apostle Paul said:
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)

There are many more videos and much more evidence to be seen if you read the rest here!

Hope to be back soon!  Are you still here?  Go read that article!!!  Thanks!

13 comments:

Piltdown Superman said...

I was able to delete a couple of comments that were nothing but whining and personal attacks, thereby contributing nothing. Also, an earlier post had a string of spam that I was able to remove.

Anonymous said...

Riiiiight. Simple fact is, Bob, that you can't tolerate even mild criticism and delete any hint of it. Like I said before: at least Radar had the guts to engage with dissenters. That you have your friend blaming disappearing comments on the spam trap is even more pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Weird, my comment from Friday on the horse post seems to have been mistaken for spam. Here goes again...

Too bad this site has turned into such sad and lonely internet outpost. Once upon a time there were great commenters like Dan S, IAMB, creeper, Jon Woolf, lava, and Captain Stubing, among others (not to mention countless quality anonymous responders). Individuals that were willing to spend time doing some great work to provide demonstrable proofs and scientific facts in order to disprove the creationist nonsense presented here as "truth" on a regular basis. Not any more.  Although, I suppose one can only keep slamming ones head into the super-dense-brick-wall that is creationist religious zealotry for so long, before it gets a little tiresome. That, coupled with the fact that likely the best way to combat all of your xtian apologist dogma and flat out lies is to simply let you guys fade further into irrelevance and/or just die off (naturally, of course, not wishing death on any of you here). Does it bother you guys that you do all this work and yet convince no one that your BS is true? I mean, when is "question evolution day" this year? LOL. Because I'm sure that takes some work to prop up. Do you really think that anyone other than a handful of already brainwashed christian creationists read the stuff you post?

Regarding evolution, I'd like to point out that episode 2 of the amazing and incredibly educational new Neil deGrasse Tyson hosted, Seth MacFarlane produced, Cosmos series does a great job of both presenting actual evidence for Evolution as scientific fact and taking down the most tired and recurring anti-evolution religious "arguments". So if there happens to be someone other than you two that reads this in the next few years, please take a look for yourself. The whole series is currently available on Netflix and is just chock full of awesome.

And your anger Piltdown? Why so much anger? Like highboy before you, it just seems that you wouldn’t be a lot of fun to hang around out there in the real world. Although I'm sure your real-life demeanor barely hints at the ridiculous pomposity of your online persona. Do you have any actual evolutionist or non-christian friends? And if so, how do you square that circle?

Get well soon, Radar. You must be in pretty dire straits to have abandoned your beloved blog. I also really hope that you and your family are going to be able to handle the inevitable bills that accompany your messed up profit-based healthcare system. Good luck with everything, Kimbal. Hopefully you're already on the mend and will be back to your usual online craziness soon.

-Canucklehead.

Piltdown Superman said...
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Piltdown Superman said...

Now we have lowlife anonymous cowards using personal attacks, calling both Radar and me liars based on their own hatred. We are called cowards, yet they fling dung from behind their keyboards to bolster their fragile egos. Guess what? Calling people liars makes YOU the liars, since you do not have any kind of substantiation, just personal attacks. If you had anything worthwhile to say, I would try to find the time to engage with you. Instead, there are logical fallacies such as appeal to motive, ridicule, assertion, poisoning the well and more. I don't have time for intellectual lightweights. If it were up to me, this blog would have moderation so time-wasting atheopaths would not be able to turn this corner of the Web into their personal litterbox like they do for every other place that their presence contaminates. Also, I would not allow anonymous posting because of cowards. Then they wonder why most people detest atheists. Hint: It's not from being atheists, but from being obstreperous jerks.

Mr. Gordons said...

Hello is all right. I agree that atheists are lacking intellectually and wish to provoke emotional reactions. They reasoning abilities are inferior.

'Simple fact is, Bob, that you can't tolerate even mild criticism and delete any hint of it.'

This has not been demonstrated.

'That you have your friend blaming disappearing comments on the spam trap is even more pathetic.'

This has not been demonstrated. Both are assertions as has been previously pointed out.

'Individuals that were willing to spend time doing some great work to provide demonstrable proofs and scientific facts in order to disprove the creationist nonsense presented here as "truth" on a regular basis. Not any more.  Although, I suppose one can only keep slamming ones head into the super-dense-brick-wall that is creationist religious zealotry for so long, before it gets a little tiresome.'

Assertions are not facts. Contradictions are not refutations.

After more ridicule this was said: 'Do you really think that anyone other than a handful of already brainwashed christian creationists read the stuff you post?'

This is more ridicule and so far nothing has been useful to advancing any intellectual argument.

'Regarding evolution, I'd like to point out that episode 2 of the amazing and incredibly educational new Neil deGrasse Tyson hosted, Seth MacFarlane produced, Cosmos series does a great job of both presenting actual evidence for Evolution as scientific fact and taking down the most tired and recurring anti-evolution religious "arguments". So if there happens to be someone other than you two that reads this in the next few years, please take a look for yourself. The whole series is currently available on Netflix and is just chock full of awesome.'

I have endured that programme and found it devoid of science but full of assertions that people like you will consider brilliant.

'And your anger Piltdown? Why so much anger? Like highboy before you, it just seems that you wouldn’t be a lot of fun to hang around out there in the real world. Although I'm sure your real-life demeanor barely hints at the ridiculous pomposity of your online persona. Do you have any actual evolutionist or non-christian friends? And if so, how do you square that circle?'

More worthless personal attacks. I have not seen anything resembling anger in his posts and he showed proper indignation at your defamatory and unsubstantiated remarks a while ago.

'Get well soon, Radar. You must be in pretty dire straits to have abandoned your beloved blog. I also really hope that you and your family are going to be able to handle the inevitable bills that accompany your messed up profit-based healthcare system. Good luck with everything, Kimbal. Hopefully you're already on the mend and will be back to your usual online craziness soon.'

After your other remarks it is impossible to believe that you are capable of exhibiting true compassion. I shall use your same tactics and simply say that you are a liar.

Anonymous said...

Hey everyone, lowlife lying fragile-egoed atheopathic obstreperous cowardly jerk, checking in. Well, at least you're staying above the fray, Supe. LOL.

And this rant about anonymous posters from a guy with a weird hat wearing super ape avatar, calling himself Piltdown Superman. I suppose that's the name you were born with? You know who posted those comments? Me, Canucklehead. It actually says so right there at the bottom of my comment. And I have been commenting here for years. Long before you arrived on the scene actually, not that that's important.

I don't hate you guys at all, BTW. Although I do really dislike what you choose to do with your spare time. You know, spreading falsehoods about scientific facts and whatnot.

As I have said here many times before, the tone of my comments follows directly from the tone of the posts and comments on this very blog (your comment above, among many others, being a great example, Mr. Pilt). So if you're going to cite the nature of my comments as a reason for deletion, why don't you take a long hard look at how you talk about and refer to esteemed scientists and educators like Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson in your own posts. Why can that claptrap stay up and my super witty stuff gets deleted? ;)

As I said in my earlier comment, get well soon, Radar, although now if for no other reason than to attempt to restore this blog to its previous free speech based standards.

-Canucklehead.

Oh and thanks for quoting my above comment Mr. Gordons. As that might make simply deleting it again a little less likely on the part of our moderator. Although did you actually say that episode 2 of Cosmos is "devoid of science"? Does that go for the whole series or just the episode where they put forth scientific evidence that happens to contradict your favorite religious tome?

Anonymous said...

Of course I'm calling you out, Bob. You see, the spam trap doesn't catch and disappear comments hours after they've been sitting there in plain sight, and Radar spent lots of time telling commenters that it's impossible to memory-hole a comment without a trace (which might just make him the most incompetent computer expert ever... then again, he did once nuke an entire template widget to solve a single line of bad code, but not before loudly and embarrassingly blaming it as a deliberate attack by evolutionists before discovering that the problem was happening to any blog using that particular widget).

Oh, and that graphic you linked to? You might want to find out if the original artist (Mike Reed) is okay with the modifications, given your history with blatantly false DMCA claims.

Finally, for a guy who goes by Allah knows how many aliases online, you don't have room to complain about anonymous commenters.

Anonymous said...

Another shady habit of Bob's: leaving "read the article" type links on his Facebook that make it appear as if an article is his, yet when you head to his page it's just a short copypasta with a link to the original article (written, of course, by someone else because Bob, like Radar, apparently has trouble writing anything original).

Bob, why not just link to the original on your Facebook? I can't imagine the people who actually did the work liking the way you're doing things...

Anonymous said...

Big egos and little minds attack people and ignore content.

creeper said...

Radar,

I'm very sorry to hear about your health troubles. From what I recall, this goes back a few years. For what it's worth, I do hope that you find the best possible care. The impending operation sounds ominous, but I hope you get through it with as little pain as possible and that you still have a few years left to enjoy your life, and for your family to enjoy having you around.

As an atheist, I always liked your blog as a sparring partner – but I'm not proud of it. Of course someone who engages in sparring finds a certain joy and amusement when the opponent surrenders so easily (sorry, Radar, but evasion and misrepresentation are nothing short of such a surrender).

What disappoints me, though - and this is a problem of the format - is that blogs make it so easy to raise walls and avoid the consequences of lost arguments. If you do make it through your current health troubles, I wonder if you would be open to finding a neutral ground of sorts where we could agree on some objective standards.

Should it turn out that you do pass away in the near future, my condolences to your family, and please be assured that there is life after death. A lot of it. Granted, it's not your life, it's the life of everyone else. But that's not such a bad thing, is it? You've had a full, long life, you can look back on many adventures as well as a loving wife, loving children, and many other accomplishments. I hope you enjoyed the ride, and perhaps you'll find comfort in the fact that many have enjoyed it before you, and many, many more will enjoy it after you, including your children and your children's children.

-- creeper

P.S. Canucklehead, thanks for the kind mention of our efforts. I too miss the other commenters, especially (in no particular order) scohen, Jon Woolf, Dan S, lava, IAMB, Taxandrian and your good self of course. Highboy is also missed (fist-sized holes!), and there was another religious extremist a while ago that was fun to read, but his name escapes me. Anyway, Canucklehead, feel free to get in touch.

radar said...

I appreciate the well-wishes and categorically deny evasion. It is common for commenters to change threads of logic and redirect conversations so that the original point is missed entirely.

It is amusing that "modern science" aka 19th Century Atheist Wishful Thinking keeps discovering things that make no sense to them. The design of organisms is so obvious now and it is painful to read how "natural selection" has thought up all these wonderful ideas when it is not a force or power but simply the result of good design.

Recent discoveries of ecosystems NOT powered by the Sun and all the methane vents in the Atlantic that should not be there after millions of years (agreed)? The disconnect between what we find among the planets by space missions versus what Darwinists were sure had to be? I mean, the list just goes on and on and I wonder how logical people fall prey to such nonsense...until I remember that schools crank out worker bees and people attached to their portable devices, playing games and living in a world of bread and circuses financed by unrealistic and unsupportable debt.

The entire system is heading for collapse and Socialism/Darwinism/Statism deserves all the credit. You are to blame for electing incompetents and evildoers and believing in nonsense. Alas!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the mentions creeper and canucklehead. Not much worth commenting on these days. Probably for the best, this blog was such a time-suck in the past for me. But we used to have some fun conversations before Radar would vomit out another half dozen cut and paste jobs of tens of thousands of words (is that part of the evasion you were mentioning, creeper?).

Radar, I wish you all the best. Good luck with whatever health issues you are having. You have always been my favorite nutty blogger. I still remember our first internet argument on the ACLU in which you claimed the ACLU invented rights on some random fantasy sports message board. That must have been 8 years ago or so. Jeez, time flies.

-lava