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Monday, May 02, 2011

Dear readers...I am not a nice person. Thanks, Radar...

Before I talk about the Cosmological Argument and discuss the paucity of logic and reason in modern science and culture, I want to let Ann Barnhart say something for me because she says it so very well:




I do love God and people and dogs. I love learning and logic and honesty and interesting discussions. I love sports and my family and friends. But I most definitely NOT politically correct and I am NOT NICE!

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow, that video was hilarious.

radar said...

"Wow, that video was hilarious."

Sounds like a nice guy :-)

creeper said...

Radar, do you seriously stand by the content of this video?

-- creeper

radar said...

creeper,

You have been watching this blog for so long and you still do not know me? When I first saw this video I was moved to applauding my video screen! There is a war in this world that is played out on several battlefields. The most serious and critical battle is the one for the minds and hearts of mankind. Ann Barnhardt is expressing what probably every single signatory on the Declaration of Independence would applaud were they alive today.

Real freedom only exists within the context of the rule of law and the law only works when based on just foundations. In this country we based our laws on the Judeo-Christian ethic and specifically using the Ten Commandments as a cornerstone.

Did you notice that Osama Bin Laden was a big fan of so-called Anthropic Global Warming and urged countries in the West to conform to environmentalist alarmist practices? It was because he wanted to destroy the United States of America and killing off our industry and economy was a great way to do it. In this the Democrats and Al-Queada were in complete agreement. Both want to put caps on carbon emissions and greenhouse gasses. Osama knew it would hurt the USA. What excuse does Al Gore have? He knows that Carbon is plant food and greenhouse gasses are primarily natural and in fact the biggest producer of greenhouse gas is the ocean. Are you gonna tax the ocean?!

Once you abandon God you soon abandon reason and then eventually anarchy brings about tyranny.

creeper said...

Yeah, I know you're prone to a particular set of conspiracy theories etc. My question was a rhetorical one, since I know you wouldn't put up posts with ironic/sarcastic intent.

But seriously, the convoluted reasoning here is absurd, taking the etymology of "nice", pretending there's some kind of current cultural trend based on that particular word (as if...), and having that be the polar opposite of Jesus, who of all things is supposed to represent logic...

I guess you can base conspiracy theories on just about anything, but this one was worthy of a particularly inspired Terry Pratchett riff.

Keep on trucking, Radar, this was a very entertaining diversion.

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

"Once you abandon God you soon abandon reason and then eventually anarchy brings about tyranny."

The video was hilarious, but this sentence had me rolling on the floor, laughing.

This blog really is an endless source of comedy and humour.

creeper said...

"The most serious and critical battle is the one for the minds and hearts of mankind."

I suspect this kind of absurdity won't do you any favors in that "serious and critical battle". Preaching to the choir, sure. But the more stuff like this is seen by anybody outside of people like you, the more off-the-wall you will seem. Which is why I think Ann Barnhardt's utterances should receive as much of a public airing as possible.

BTW, given your particular conspiracy mindset, has it occurred to you that Ann Barnhardt may be a plant sent by Satan himself? Someone who talks the talk so that people like you accept her, but who is so hilariously disconnected that it hinders your larger cause.

Something to consider.

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

"Ann Barnhardt is expressing what probably every single signatory on the Declaration of Independence would applaud were they alive today."

Yep. I can see them now. "Satan's murder weapon is all the niceness that's sweeping the nation. Now, about that separation of powers..."

You really think somebody capable of such drivel could also come up with the Constitution of the United States?

I'd like to think we can hold a higher opinion of the Founding Fathers.

radar said...

No, you do not know your Founding Fathers:

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice can not sleep forever..."

Notes on the State of Virginia by Thomas Jefferson

radar said...

One of my progenitors was a signatory to the Declaration of Independence. Most of the signing names were men who had graduated University with degrees of theology or a related degree. The vast majority were church members. Christians and Theists were the norm in the 18th Century, especially among men of action and attainment. If only this was still so.

Anonymous said...

Do you mean these guys, Radar?

http://i.imgur.com/rN2F0.jpg

Frankly, I think they'd be tired of your BS. As Bill Mar put it,

"[T]he Founding Fathers would have hated your guts…and what’s more, you would have hated them. They were everything you despise. They studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit."

The bottom line is that if your founding fathers wanted a christian theocracy they would have founded a christian theocracy. They created a secular government because they wanted a secular government.

- Canucklehead.

Anonymous said...

And further to your comment about the signatories being theologians. Looks like you've been duped again. I guess if you get your info from Glen Beck, you takes your chances. See the following link debunking "Beck University"'s, "professor" David Barton's assertions about the theological backgrounds of signatories of the Declaration of Independence,

http(colon,slash,slash)www.talk2action.org/story/2010/7/31/123919/659

From the link,

"Barton cleverly uses the word 'seminary' to dupe his followers into thinking that 29 signers of the Declaration of Independence had theology degrees and were ministers, when in reality the word 'seminary' just means college, although its use today is almost always to refer to a theological seminary. The truth is that only four of the 56 signers of the Declaration went to college to study theology, and only two, John Witherspoon and Lyman Hall, stuck with it and became ministers, but Hall was booted out of his church for some moral indiscretion and decided to become a doctor instead of a minister. Of the other two, one became a lawyer and the other became a merchant."

- Canucklehead

radar said...

Canucklehead,

Bill Maher (is the correct spelling) is one of the most brutish and idiotic people on the planet. If he is against it, I am probably for it. His knowledge of the Founding Fathers is probably entirely based on articles written in Cosmopolitan Magazine and some academic assistant teaching history wearing Dockers and rocking a ponytail.

I'd debate Bill Maher on radio or television, kick his butt and hand it back to him on a platter. He is afraid of a fair fight or an even debate, which is why he loads his shows with liberal loonbats when he does host a conservative or a Christian so they can all gang up on her or him. So that is kind of cowardly. Love to see him take on Dennis Miller but Miller would probably make Maher's head spin and fall off.

Bill Maher as an expert on the Founding Fathers? Wow. Like asking a parrot to discuss the history of the automotive industry or a dog to conjugate French verb tenses.

Anonymous said...

"I'd debate Bill Maher on radio or television, kick his butt and hand it back to him on a platter."

More of that world famous humility of yours, Radar?

Funny that you chose only to address the Bill Maher quote.

- Canucklehead.

creeper said...

"Most of the signing names were men who had graduated University with degrees of theology or a related degree."

Which only makes it more likely that they wouldn't fall for the nonsense Ann Barnhardt is peddling here.

"The vast majority were church members."

I think there's still a useful distinction to be made between "church members" and "someone ranting about how niceness is the devil's work and Christianity is mere weeks from being murdered".

Incidentally, Radar, did you notice that your response to Canucklehead was a 100% textbook ad hominem?

BTW, do you think Ann Barnhardt might be a tool of Satan?

-- creeper

Anonymous said...

Whoa, just watched that video after reading some of the recommendations here. I'm guessing this woman's mental development stopped somewhere in her teens. Junior high would be the last time I ran into those nitwits who for some reason cracked a dictionary and found out that some word came from another word and then pretended that it still meant that and only that and thought they were being all super clever.

Like that kid who figured out that sex also meant gender and then pretended from that point on that it only meant that. Boy did people get fed up with him.

I'll be passing this link on for entertainment value fer sure. Bit too long for failblog, sadly.

loboinok said...

Funny that you chose only to address the Bill Maher quote.

How does one address such a vague statement?

"[T]he Founding Fathers would have hated your guts…and what’s more, you would have hated them. They were everything you despise. They studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit."

They? who is "They?"

Anonymous said...

"They? who is "They?""

The context makes that pretty clear.

radar said...

I quote Thomas Jefferson, they quote Bill Maher. Looks like an easy win for our side. No substance on the other side.

creeper said...

"Looks like an easy win for our side."

Looks like a simple ad hominem on your side. Did you have an argument or are you just going with a logical fallacy, the argument from authority?

If that's all you've got, you've conceded the issue.

-- creeper

creeper said...

And did you miss the link Canucklehead put up?

-- creeper

radar said...

I am quite familiar with Maher. More than Canucklehead as I can spell his name and I have indeed watched several of his shows. I used to make it a point to watch and absorb the liberal view of culture and the ebb and flow of the program until it got to be too depressing. He is a television personality, for crying out loud!

You don't see me using Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity as sources of historical knowledge. Also after years of continual ad hominem attacks on me I am not moved by your resorting to that as a refuge. It is the content of Maher's message and not his identity that is the problem.

Furthermore, I have done extensive study on the Founding Fathers, including their most often quoted sources, their legal documents used as source materials, their comments on God and government and so on and so forth. You would find quite a bit about the FF on this blog if you cared to look.

Canucklehead's document is ludicrous. I can tear apart each assertion.
1) Adams - The treaty of Tripoli was written with Muslims in mind so the language was carefully non-Christian
2) Jefferson was warning against having a state religion (such as we have now with Darwinist Humanism)
3) Madison was also warning about the same thing, the establishment of a state religion.
4) Paine was one of two outspoken Deists who were not fond of Christianity, although he did favor the Judeo-Christian ethic as the basis for law. There is a naysayer in every crowd.

radar said...

5) Benjamin Franklin wrote, when close to death - "...I have some doubts as to his divinity, though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble."

His entire life, Franklin had recognized God the Creator but, upon nearing the end of his life, he wrote to a friend on his personal doubts about Christ and his plan to study up on the subject considering his meeting with his Maker was drawing nigh.

Franklin was a Theist who would be appalled as would the other FF at the establishment of a state religion. It was precisely this reason that caused the majority of the first settlers in the New World to leave Europe, in order to avoid the church-state environment.

The revolution was sparked by the lack of true representative government AND the desire to have a nation that was not one with an established state religion but rather would render freedom to all to worship as they pleased. The Founding Fathers did not anticipate that atheistic Humanism could become the state relgion but that is what we now have. It is enforced vigorously in the school systems and the ACLU is actively seeking to impose it upon society as a whole.

Our Founding Fathers sought to establish freedom OF worship, not freedom FROM worship. You who assert otherwise have little understanding of American or European history from the time period of 1200-1800. The issuance of the Magna Carta set us upon a course that led to the establishment of the United States of America that became a Federal Republic. This country was established upon Christian principles yet at the same time was clear to impose no one religion upon any one person. Nevertheless the laws were based on Biblical principles steeped in British experience.

Your entire assertion concerning the Founding Fathers is absurd.

Anonymous said...

"You don't see me using Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity as sources of historical knowledge."

Seen you use the Bible as a science textbook though, which comes out to about the same.

creeper said...

"The Founding Fathers did not anticipate that atheistic Humanism could become the state relgion but that is what we now have. It is enforced vigorously in the school systems and the ACLU is actively seeking to impose it upon society as a whole."

"Enforced vigorously"? Are the kiddies made to say that God doesn't exist? Evidence?

Just because your religion isn't being pushed on the kids doesn't mean someone else's is. Religion doesn't belong in public schools, so what beef do you have with the status quo?

Re. the ACLU - how does your remark tie in with the fact that the ACLU also defends Christians?

Do a google search on ACLU defends Christians and see what you find.

-- creeper

loboinok said...

The context makes that pretty clear.

If it was clear, I wouldn't have asked. Does Canucklehead really believe that all of the Founding Fathers "studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit."?"

Anonymous said...

Apparently so. You disagree then?

Anonymous said...

"Does Canucklehead really believe that all of the Founding Fathers "studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit.""

I suspect he (actually it was Bill Maher's quote) didn't mean that each of them did all of those things, but that some studied science, some read Plato etc. Which AFAIK is true. Not sure about the last bit, but maybe that's true too. It's Bill Maher after all, and he's got more credibility than Radar.

Anonymous said...

"2) Jefferson was warning against having a state religion (such as we have now with Darwinist Humanism)"

ROFLMAO

Talking about Bill Maher; he can learn a thing or two from you when it comes to comedy, Radar.

Anonymous said...

"Jefferson was warning against having a state religion (such as we have now with Darwinist Humanism)"

Y'know, Radar, I think you just re-defined the term "state religion" into something utterly devoid of meaning.

Anonymous said...

"The Founding Fathers did not anticipate that atheistic Humanism could become the state relgion but that is what we now have. It is enforced vigorously in the school systems and the ACLU is actively seeking to impose it upon society as a whole."

So tell us, Radar, are you free to attend the church of your choice?

What steps is the ACLU taking to prevent you from that?

Don't be shy now.

radar said...

The children and young adults are being taught the religion of atheistic humanism in the classrooms and political correctness is slowly replacing morality. I am not yet prohibited to go to church or express my opinions. However, kids are being downgraded or failed in some classes for expressing theirs. First Humanism will take over the media and academia and government. Then government will change the Constitution and eventually Christians will be back where we were in Europe a few centuries ago, being imprisoned and even killed for disagreement with the state religion.

Anonymous said...

Nice evasion of the questions, Radar. You've got nothing.

Anonymous said...

"However, kids are being downgraded or failed in some classes for expressing theirs."

Link please.

Anonymous said...

"However, kids are being downgraded or failed in some classes for expressing theirs."

Well? Is this true or not?

Link please.