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Saturday, February 04, 2006

Science and Supernatural: Scientists speak

There are three basic views scientists take of mixing the natural and the supernatural. Some make a decision to exclude the possibility of the supernatural, some make a decision to look for the supernatural and some just search for truth and will accept what they find either way. The standard Darwinist propaganda is that good scientists look for the answers in science only in the natural world and exclude all supernatural possibilities.

There is a faction of scientists who exclude the supernatural from their possibilites not on the basis of science, but philosophy. Let's hear from some of them:

"Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually- fulfilled atheist." - Richard Dawkins, Darwinian apologist.

"I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption ... For myself, as no doubt, for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneous liberation from a certain political and economic system, and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom." - Aldous Huxley, philosopher, author, lecturer -(REPORT, June 1966. "Confession of Professed Atheist."}

"We [scientists] have … a prior commitment to materialism [and] we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations… Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.” -Richard Lewontin, “Billions and Billions of Demons,” The New York Review, January 9, 1997, p. 31.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." - H. L. Mencken

“[I suppose the reason] we all jumped at the Origin [of Species] was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores.” - Julian Huxley, British biologist.

View from the flipside

Last year Anthony Flew, a noted anti-creationist, atheistis philosopher who had lectured and debated on the side of Darwinism for decades, made a stir in the scientific community with this statement: "It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together...It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design."

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics) Tipler, F.J. 1994. The Physics Of Immortality. New York, Doubleday, Preface.

Many scientists see the supernatural in their work

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan."

"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero." - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry.

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question."

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."

Believers are numerous in the scientific community

"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists, biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." - Jim Holt. 1997. Science Resurrects God. The Wall Street Journal (December 24, 1997), Dow Jones & Co., Inc.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it."

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981 Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life."

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine."

Believers dominate the ranks of great scientists of the past

"The wonderful arrangement and harmony of the cosmos would only originate in the plan of an almighty omniscient being. This is and remains my greatest comprehension." - Isaac Newton

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

"Overwhelming evidences of an intelligence and benevolent intention surround us, show us the whole of nature through the work of a free will and teach us that all alive beings depend on an eternal creator-ruler." - Lord Kelvin

"I am a Christian which means that I believe in the deity of Christ, like Tycho de Brahe, Copernicus, Descartes, Newton, Leibnitz, Pascal… like all great astronomers and mathematicians of the past." - Augustin Louis Cauchy

Conclusion

There is room for both believers and non-believers in the scientific community. Some, like Einstein, will come to science with a readiness to believe in God but will remain unconvinced. Others, like Tipler, find their predisposition to ignore God tossed aside in the face of the evidence they have found in their research. My personal belief is that the more we learn about life and the cosmos, the more compelling the evidence will be that God does exist and did, indeed create all things. I leave the last word to Sir Francis:

"A little science estranges a man from God; a lot of science brings him back." Sir Francis Bacon

Hat tip to Judaism Online, to Rich Deem and Quodlibet.

8 comments:

cranky old fart said...

Of course there is room for believers and non believers in the scientific community. So what?

Scientists may believe in Zeus, Thor, Jesus and/or Mohammad, but it doesn't do a lick to help them find answers in their actual work. The don't say, "well I believe in Jesus, so "x" must be the answer to this equation".

cranky old fart said...

???? What happened to my earlier comment?

radar said...

If any comments are missing, it is likely due to the downtime on my site. I didn't delete any but there was a period of time when the blog was down and posting was down. Kindly submit it again, it should work now!

radar said...

In answer to your first post, which has now appeared - What you do see happen is scientists discovering that "x" is the answer to the question, so therefore I must believe in God. If roughly 40 percent of scientists believe in God and many, even the most revered, say that their studies lead them to see that the existence of a Creator is confirmed by their observations then we see that the supernatural holds an important place in science.

cranky old fart said...

Well, "important" is a relative term in this context.

It's important to those who feel its important. It's obviously not important to the actual objective science.

Dave said...

I don't have a problem with your post at all (I've read it as you suggested over at Simon's). I personally don't believe in God but it is patently obvious that many well respected scientists do. I've said many times that Christianity is fine, it's not for me but so what? what is a completely different arguement/discussion call it what you will is Creationism and the idea that the world was created 6000 years ago. It's absurd and very, very few scientists do anything other than laugh at the concept, indeed the vast majority of christians laugh at the concept.

Sumit Mehra said...

HI EVERYBODY
I SUMIT MEHRA HAVE VERY MUCH INTEREST IN SUPERNATURAL SCIENCE.

SO TO QUENCH MY DESIRE HOW SUPERNATURAL ACTIVITIES ARE RELATED WITH SCIENCE I HAD MET LOTS OF SAINTS
AND SOME PROFESSORS RELATED TO SCIENCE.
SUPERNATURAL ACTIVITIES ARE NOTHING BUT EXPERIMENTAL SCIENCE. TODAY WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROOFS TO SUPPORT THIS ARGUMENT BUT IF WE ASSUME THESE THINGS AND START RESEARCH WITH ASSUMPTIONS THEN WE CAN GET SO ME RESULTS. ASSUMPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS
1.OUR SURROUNDING IS FULL OF BACTERIASAND ATOMS, SOME OF THESE BACTERIAS AND ATOMS ACTS LIKE CATALYSTS, EACH AND EVERY DAY QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF SUCH CATALYSTS CHANGES.
FOR EXAMPLE ACCORDING TO HINDU MYTHS DO NOT CUT HAIR ON TUESDAY AND SATURDAY
TUESDAY RELATED TO KALI MA, HANUMAN JI ETC.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE TO SUPPORT THIS ASSUMPTION IS THAT NORMALLY ALL OJAS DO THE SPELLS IN TYPICAL DAY AND TIME.
2. EVERY HUMAN OR LIVING THING RELEASE SOME SORT OF ENERGY FROM THE BODY THAT CHANGES FROM PERSON TO PERSON,THAT EFFECTS THE ENERGY THAT BODY IS RECEIVING FROM THE DIFFERENT PLANETS.
EXAMPLE : IF YOU SEE THE ASTROLOGERS,AFTER STUDING THE BIRTH PATRIKA OF HUMAN THEY TOLD TO WEAR THIS STONE IN THAT FINGURE ETC
SOME TIMES ASK HUMANS TO DONATE RICE AND CURD TO PANDIT ON FRIDAY THIS UPA IS FOR THOSE HUMANS WHOSE SHUKRA STAR IS WEAK.
OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED WITH PRESENT ERA SCIENCE.

HOW OJAS DO THE SIDHI

ON TYPICAL DAY AND TIME HE STARTS HIS POOJA. IN HIS POOJA HE USE HALDI, SINDHOOR, FIRE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF WOODS ETC. ALL THESE THINGS WHEN COMBINED WILL ACTS AS CATALYST TO HAVE BACTERIAS OR ATOMS AS ASSUMPTION NO.1 MORE AND MORE, WHEN THEY SPEAKS MANTRAS AIR FLOW AFFECTS THAT MEANS THE CRUSTS AND TROUGHS MADE WHEN SOUND TRAVELS IN A MEDIUM CREATES SIDHI
IN OLD HINDU BOOKS AT WAR TIME THAT GOD HAS CREATED THAT GHOST TO FIGHT ALL THESE RELATED TO SUDDEN ENERGY CHANGES IN OUR ATMOSPHERE BY USE OF SIDHI.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL STUDY TO STUDY THIS TOPIC ONE HAS TO EXPLORE ONE'S BRAIN AND TO EXPLORE THE BRAIN ONE HAS TO DO YOGA
EVERY THING IS INSIDE THE HUMAN ONLY THING IS TO EXPLORE IT
THIS IS THE REASON WHY IN OLD TIME ALL THE RISHI MUNI (SAINTS)WENT TO THE JUNGLE WHERE THEY ALONE DO THE YOGA AND EXPLORE THEIR MIND.
BY DOING THIS ONE CAN CONTROL THE ENERGY RELEASING FROM THEIR BODY AND ALSO CONTROL THE ENERGY RECEIVED FROM SURROUNDING.THIS AFFECTS THE ELECTRO MEGNATIC ENERGY.
IN NUT SHELL IT IS SURE THAT IF WE STUDY THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE SUPERNATURAL ACTIVITIES IN THIS WAY THEN THE MYSTERY IS NO SO FAR AWAY FROM US.

Sumit Mehra said...

FEW PEOPLE KNOW THE WORLD OF THREE ELEMENT PEOPLE
IN HINDU MYTHOLOGY THERE IS GOD AND DEVILS AND SPIRIT.
THEY CREATE THE EARTH WHERE WE LIVE
WE CAN SEE ALMOST EVERY THING AROUND US BUT SO MANY THINGS ARE THERE THAT WE CAN'T SEE.
IT WRITTEN IN HOLLY BOOKS THAT HUMAN IS MADE OF 5 ELEMENTS THAT IS:
1. AIR
2. WATER
3. SKY
4. FIRE
5. EARTH ( BHUMI)

THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE SEE ALL 5 ELEMENT THINGS.
BUT NOT THE 3 ELEMENT PEOPLE.
ACCORDING TO HINDI OLD MYTHS GOD AND DEVILS ARE THERE. ALL THESE ARE RELATED TO 3 ELEMENT WORLD, THAT WE CAN'T SEE BUT FEEL THEIR AFFECTS SEE THEIR AFFECTS
IF WE STUDY THIS THEN DUKE STORIES AND OLD STORIES EVERY WHERE WE CAN SOLVE THE MYSTERY.