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Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Tea Party and Eric Cantor invite YOU to try your hand at governance

Because government by the people for the people was part of the original intent. Now we have government by the ideologues for the millionaires AT the people.


Tea Party of Lake County, IN

Please visit our website: www.TeaPartyofLakeCounty.org


Washington needs to hear from "We the People"

Eric Cantor - YOUCUT

Click HERE to visit YOUCUT website

YouCut -- a first-of-its-kind project - is designed to defeat the permissive culture of runaway spending in Congress. It allows you to vote, both online and on your cell phone, on spending cuts that you want to see the House enact. Vote on this page today for your priorities and together we can begin to change Washington's culture of spending into a culture of savings. Click here to learn more about our first week's winning item, a $2.5 billion spending cut.




Hat tip to Mark Leyva, LKTP leader and Congressional Candidate!

10 comments:

Hawkeye® said...

Radar,
OK. I checked out the website. Looks good.

(:D) Regards...

Jon Woolf said...

Just a thought in passing ... well, two thoughts, really.

1) it's a bit tacky to have your link to the "Tea Party of Lake County" go through an e-advertising service.

2) when you're trying to appeal to independents who distrust both major parties, it's Not A Good Idea to have your link redirect to a domain called "teamgopin.com". Anyone reading that will immediately expand it to "Team GOP Indiana."

On the other hand, perhaps you do want to give the impression that your "Tea Party" group is inextricably wedded to the existing GOP Establishment and all its flawed and failed policies, candidates, and ideas.

Chaos Engineer said...

Now we have government by the ideologues for the millionaires AT the people.

Hmm. This actually sounds good; no matter which party is in charge, it seems like the millionaires and big business benefit at the expense of common people.

I can hardly wait to see who will be first on the chopping block! The military-industrial complex? The prison-industrial complex? The media conglomerates? Big oil? Let me just click through to the "You Cut" link!

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Oh. Apparently the number one source of waste is welfare payments to poor people. There are reports that some of "those people" took money that was supposed to go towards school supplies and spent it on beer and cigarettes.

I'll agree that some of that money was wasted. (I'm not sure how much...presumably the more responsible parents did spend their share of the money on school supplies.) But how will cutting this program fix the "government by the ideologues for the millionaires" problem?

This isn't even a new idea. It's just the latest iteration of the Republican's Southern strategy.

I'd have a lot more respect for the Tea Party crowd if they'd follow up on their anti-elitist rhetoric. As it stands they're just working as unpaid volunteers for the corporations that own the Republican Party.

radar said...

First, I got the link from Lake County so I used their site as a thank you. But I am dead set against the old elephant with one hand in a lobbyist's pocket just as I am against the donkey who does the same. Old fashioned politics has brought us to where we are now and it is not pretty.

However, several of us have started a chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus to try to drag the elephants away from the lobbyist trough and towards Constitutional conservatism. We are trying to convert Republicans into Conservative Constitutionalists rather than vice-versa. I am convinced that it can be done.

Libertarians include a lot of loony ideas and isolationist policies are not adult views of the multinational multiethnic world. We cannot just be an island in the sea of nations. Nor can we decide to be a current in that sea. America should go back to being free, capitalistic, innovative and optimistic and not in any way beholden to a UN or any world courts. We are the land of the free and the home of the brave!

radar said...

Please understand I know a lot of Libertarians who are good people and even some Democrats that I like. You know that I would vote for Harry Truman today were he alive and kicking. There may be a Democrat here and there who is a good statesman and is worth supporting but we are talking finding a coelecanth in a sea of groupers.

What I would tell my Libertarian friends? Please drop the 9/11 was a CIA thing and the no vaccines in schools thing and even the Obama is a fake thing and work on cutting government spending and control? Priorities, my friends! We need to cut government at least in half and spending by 75 per cent. Lots of government agencies have no business being in existence IMO and the IRS should be dumped and converted into a lean, mean Fair Tax machine.

Chaos Engineer said...

We need to cut government at least in half and spending by 75 per cent.

It's easy to say that, but look at the 2010 Budget Pie Chart.

Well over half the budget goes to the Department of Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and interest on the national debt. How much of that are you willing to cut?

The only other big slice of the pie is the 16% for various welfare programs. That could probably be cut some, but a lot of it is stuff like unemployment insurance and assistance for children, and we probably want to keep that.

Every other program fits into that last 25% of the pie chart. Some of that could be cut, but it also includes the SEC and the people who are supposed to be inspecting oil wells. Those agencies need more money, so they can afford to hire people who will actually do their jobs.

My thoughts: We could probably shrink the government by 10% if we reduced the Department of Defense to the minimum necessary to protect us from invasion. (If we really need to fight a war overseas, then we can follow the World War II strategy of reinstituting the draft to build up the army in a hurry.) Other than that, there's not a lot of room for sensible and significant cuts.

The real problem is that we're undertaxed. I know it's trendy to pretend to be overtaxed, but we're really getting quite a lot for the money we put in. If we could even get back to Reagan-era taxation then that would give us a bit of breathing room.

Lots of government agencies have no business being in existence IMO and the IRS should be dumped and converted into a lean, mean Fair Tax machine.

By "Fair Tax", do you mean that people who get income through inheritance or capital gains would be taxed at the same rate as us poor slobs who get income by working for it?

I hope you're not talking about one of those so-called "Fair Tax" scams that wind up lowering taxes for the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class.

I wouldn't mind if my taxes were increased a bit for the common good, but I'm not convinced that the ultra-rich really need my help.

radar said...

I would see the problem is one of balancing the budget. You say over half the budget is going to those departments but there are many other little fingers stuck into those big pies. I think the establishment of the Fed was a problem and that we have been succeeding primarily in making a lot of rich people richer.

There is more than one version of the fair tax being offered. My version has a cutoff below which no one gets taxed, thus the poor and lower-middle class get out of the tax return game altogether and keep what they earn. The rest of the tax plan is very low so that most people pay less. Then it is combined with a frivolous VAT tax that only takes a piece of large non-necessity expenditures such as new cars and boats but does not penalize businesses for buying equipment. The management of this two-tier system is far easier than the IRS and cost less money.

Social Security and Medi-whatever include a lot of programs that are not strictly related to them.

We are not under-taxed, we are under-utilized. We should be putting up nuclear reactors again and drilling in Alaska and off our coasts. You say BP screwed up that Gulf situation and I agree along with our nonchalant President who is still not doing much about it. But if we do not get our oil, side-sipping Chinese will eventually take it.

Jon Woolf said...

(If we really need to fight a war overseas, then we can follow the World War II strategy of reinstituting the draft to build up the army in a hurry.)

No, we can't. When the draft ended, all four armed services began transforming from manpower-intensive to technology-intensive, and they've been following that path now for almost forty years. Done a good job of it, too. More technology means more training for the operators. Military commanders like the all-volunteer Armed Forces and strongly oppose any attempt to reinstate the draft, because they know it would be a fiasco. The days when we could use draftees to quickly field a large, effective army are long, long gone.

We don't need to cut 75% of the federal budget. We need to cut 40-50%, so that spending equals income. Here's a simple formula for accomplishing that: if it isn't authorized in Article I Section 8, it goes. Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, etc. may be good ideas, but where are they in the Constitution?

radar said...

I think it is funny that I mentioned my other google ID and creeper calls me a sock puppet! Funny.

No, I am not really a Republican first, I am a tea party constitutional conservative trying to reform and take over the Republican party from the dumbbells who have a lot of the control. If I thought for one minute a third party could win I would form or join a Constitution party and run against both the elephant and the donkey. It is simply that the elephant is not nearly a crazy and dangerous as the donkey is and is the only one capable of reform right now.

creeper said...

"I think it is funny that I mentioned my other google ID and creeper calls me a sock puppet! Funny."

To be fair, until you fessed up to it yourself, it was for all intents and purposes a sockpuppet. You usually make a point of saying "this is Radar at another computer" when you comment with no google ID, whereas with AmericanVet you pointedly did not until it was pointed out several times, both by me and others, that it was you.

I suspect you didn't intend foul play, but it wasn't exactly obvious from what you were presenting.

-- creeper