Democrats defend President's Iraq policy (courtesy of Lobo)
Below is a blogger conversation with Loboinok's responses to Creeper...well, actually he lets the Democrats talk for him!!! Questioner in italics, quotes in bold. Sometimes the responses are far better than my posts!
I don't see what pointing at the opposition party has to do with the Bush administration failing to address one of the key issues of their foreign policy (attacking Iraq to prevent use and proliferation of WMD) in any way. Think about what they claimed before they invaded Iraq, then think about the different scenarios that could ensue from that, and how they failed at each and every one:
1. No WMD found. (Going on the assumption that they did exist, it was essential that they be found and secured.)
"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to *terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
*2. WMD not kept out of hands of shady underground organizations. (Ditto.)
America is threatened by an "unholy axis":
"We must exercise responsibility not just at home, but around the world. On the eve of a new century, we have the power and the duty to build a new era of peace and security.
We must combat an unholy axis of new threats from *terrorists, international criminals, and drug traffickers. These 21st century predators feed on technology and the free flow of information... And they will be all the more lethal if weapons of mass destruction fall into their hands.
Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the *outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton
State of the Union address
January 27, 1998
*2. WMD not kept out of hands of shady underground organizations. (Ditto.)
Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998:
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton) states:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
September 29, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators."
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
"Ten years after the Gulf War and Saddam is still there and still continues to stockpile weapons of mass destruction. Now there are suggestions he is working with al Qaeda, which means the very terrorists who attacked the United States last September may now have access to chemical and biological weapons."
James P. Rubin, President Clinton's State Department spokesman
In a PBS documentary titled "Saddam's Ultimate Solution"
July 11, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998
3. WMD not contained within Iraq's borders, but allowed to be transported to other suspect nations. (Ditto.)
How would you suggest a military that hasn't even invaded the country, secure WMD within Iraq's border?
Clinton and his administration, talked about taking out Saddam... but they didn't get it done, did they?
Clinton's intelligence services gave him the same info that Bush was given... what did he do with it?
Why are the above Dems, who knew there was WMD, now saying there never was?
How could Saddam, who was all bad and a threat in '98', not be the same or more, after 911?
It's a bad thing to be an "unholy axis" but a "axis of evil" is just hype?
45 UN security violations through Clinton's administration is justification to take military action, but add a few more, a few dozen allies, attacks on our military and our country, and we no longer are justified?
The fact is creeper, Socialism/Marxism has polluted most of our society. It got a strong toe-hold in the 60's and we ended up with Vietnam. Now they are doing the exact same thing, except they don't even bother hiding it any longer.
The Communist Party is supporting the Democrat party today. The Democratic Socialist Party is supporting the Democrats today and all terrorists factions worldwide are supporting the Democrat party today.
http://www.cpusa.org/
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
I would give you the link to the " Congressional Progressive Caucus", but they took everything off their site today (word is getting out)
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I don't see what pointing at the opposition party has to do with the Bush administration failing to address one of the key issues of their foreign policy (attacking Iraq to prevent use and proliferation of WMD) in any way. Think about what they claimed before they invaded Iraq, then think about the different scenarios that could ensue from that, and how they failed at each and every one:
1. No WMD found. (Going on the assumption that they did exist, it was essential that they be found and secured.)
"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to *terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
*2. WMD not kept out of hands of shady underground organizations. (Ditto.)
America is threatened by an "unholy axis":
"We must exercise responsibility not just at home, but around the world. On the eve of a new century, we have the power and the duty to build a new era of peace and security.
We must combat an unholy axis of new threats from *terrorists, international criminals, and drug traffickers. These 21st century predators feed on technology and the free flow of information... And they will be all the more lethal if weapons of mass destruction fall into their hands.
Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the *outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton
State of the Union address
January 27, 1998
*2. WMD not kept out of hands of shady underground organizations. (Ditto.)
Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998:
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton) states:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
September 29, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators."
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
"Ten years after the Gulf War and Saddam is still there and still continues to stockpile weapons of mass destruction. Now there are suggestions he is working with al Qaeda, which means the very terrorists who attacked the United States last September may now have access to chemical and biological weapons."
James P. Rubin, President Clinton's State Department spokesman
In a PBS documentary titled "Saddam's Ultimate Solution"
July 11, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998
3. WMD not contained within Iraq's borders, but allowed to be transported to other suspect nations. (Ditto.)
How would you suggest a military that hasn't even invaded the country, secure WMD within Iraq's border?
Clinton and his administration, talked about taking out Saddam... but they didn't get it done, did they?
Clinton's intelligence services gave him the same info that Bush was given... what did he do with it?
Why are the above Dems, who knew there was WMD, now saying there never was?
How could Saddam, who was all bad and a threat in '98', not be the same or more, after 911?
It's a bad thing to be an "unholy axis" but a "axis of evil" is just hype?
45 UN security violations through Clinton's administration is justification to take military action, but add a few more, a few dozen allies, attacks on our military and our country, and we no longer are justified?
The fact is creeper, Socialism/Marxism has polluted most of our society. It got a strong toe-hold in the 60's and we ended up with Vietnam. Now they are doing the exact same thing, except they don't even bother hiding it any longer.
The Communist Party is supporting the Democrat party today. The Democratic Socialist Party is supporting the Democrats today and all terrorists factions worldwide are supporting the Democrat party today.
http://www.cpusa.org/
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
I would give you the link to the " Congressional Progressive Caucus", but they took everything off their site today (word is getting out)
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